I just thought of one other point for HotRod. You should be telling us about all the suvs in your area that turn over with young drivers that get killed. Its a pretty well known fact that the insurance companys keep tabs on. Young girls in suvs in our area are the most killed of all. Graduations are going on this week and so far 5 dead. All in bone stock cars and suvs. Something to think about when you hand the keys to your kid on his or her last nite of high school. frown