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The subject here is a 52 chevy 2ton, front wheel bearings.
I would like to find a good number for the front bearings, because the Hyatt number no one seems to be able to cross over.
These are tapered barrel bearings, meaning the rollers are shaped like a beer barrel.
The Hyatt numbers are
A-11038 - outer brg.
? - outer race
A-11424 - inner brg.
11424-Z - inner race
From a former listing here someone had said that Bower numbers 3383,3320,2687,2631 were good as a current number for those bearings which they are NOT.
Does anyone have a bearing number other than Hyatt that will cross to provide a good number so I can get some bearings for a chevy 2ton.
I also believe that once a good number is found I can get these bearings cheaper than the 100 bucks Carter wants for one bearing.
Dan

Hy glasman, I just went through all this research again for you, and I come up with the same numbers you say are not good. three out of four numbers are Bower, but 2687 is a Timken number, the only other info I could find is that the inner bearing was sold as an assembly, Bower p/n KA11424Z, its components are p/ns 17830, 17888, the outer bearing was sold as an assembly as well Bower p/n KA11035Z its components are p/ns 15579A, 15522A, please let me know how you make out with those numbers.

There is a company who has thousands of bearings for several different venues so they can match them up for sure.
APPLIED INDUSTRIAL TECHNOLOGIES CO.INC.
These guys can find even very rare bearings as they are world wide company.
Just look them up on the net. Oh and may I ad that we used Timkin bearings at work and they seemed be the best we found.
62Blue
Don

Try the Filling Station. I think they found a source. You may have to call them, they might not have it in their online catalog.

http://www.fillingstation.com/

3B, Ya your right, the 2687 is a timken number, the rest came Federal Mogul (BCA) bearings.
They are tapered roller bearings, rollers shaped like a coke can not barrel shaped, plus the inner bearing has no collar for the seal to run on.
The ID of the bearing and OD of the race would not allow it to be installed.
When I first seen them I was thinking they would replace the barrel type, but after checking the ID and OD I could see they would not work.
I was hoping that over the years someones truck had ended up with some bearings in it other than Hyatt which would give another number to search with.

Dan

Glasman,
I have these bearings and tried to send you a E-mail but it came back to me as UN deliverable ?? Got it out of your profile.

Hy glasman, the barrel bearings have not been made for decades, the only way to find those is lucking out finding N.O.S. ones, and then you have to find enough pieces to do at least one wheel, as you shouldn't mix and match. Most of the manufacturers made standard tapered roller bearing replacements for these, which carried the same part number as the Hyatt bearings. The numbers I came up with came from crossimg the GMC part numbers in a master bearing interchange catalogue. Could you please tell me which numbers are correct, you can P.M. if you like, thanks.

3B, I don't have the numbers, give me some numbers.
I don't understand what your asking. The only numbers I have which I know are correct are the Hyatt numbers. The bearings I ordered and have here are Federal Mogul p/n Inner-3383 / 3320
Outer- 2687 /2631. The 2687 is a Timkin.
I just tried my FLAPS with the numbers you gave above and maybe they can be had but they are not in the wharehouse. They would have to go to factory.
Dan

I spent 3 hours in Everson Washington at the NAPA store trying to track down all of the front bearings and seals and they came up dry for the inner and outer bearings, I think I got the inner at the Filling Station like I said. I think I also got one of the outer wheel bearings from them, I found two on ebay, one was a tapered roller and one was a barrel so I only used one of them. NAPA has listings for the bearings, but they don't exist in their stock. I think the seals came: one from California and one from Tennessee.

Hy glasman, so the 2687/2631 did fit okay, but the 3383/3320 didn't? I checked the Napa site this morning, and the picture of the cone shows it sitting up off of the table so I hope that means it has the seal surface on the back of it. The napa numbers for those bearings are BRGBR17888 $67.99, and BRGBR17830 $19.69. The 17888 has an I.D. of 1.75", and the 17830 has an O.D. of 3.125", do those dimensions sound correct?

3B, As soon as it gets light out I'll go out to the shop and check the outer brg.
The ID of the inner brg.is about 1.75. The OD of the inner race is 3 1/16.
I'll put a Mic on these as soon as I get to the shop, but I got to fire up the smoker. We got some friends comin over tonight and I'm smokin a beef brisket. It will be good, so stop by if you'd like. Hang on I see the Sun comin up.
Dan

3B,
After putting a Mic to the bearings here's what I got.
Inner brg.- ID-1.75, Cage OD- 2.798, Dia.of collar which the seal rides on- 2.32
Inner race- 3.125, thickness-.657

Outer brg.-ID-1.00, cage dia-2.00, thickness-.731
I don't have the race out of the hub to measure that.
It would be nice if there was a tapered rollar bearing tp replace these out dated rollar barrel bearings.
I went to Applied Ind.Tech and you can choose bearings by size but I didn't see where they dealt with any part numbers.

Dan

I went through a lot of similar issues trying to find bearings for the axle & diff in the rear end of my truck. I got alot of the numbers crossed to curent Timken numbers by emailing them the numbers and diensions I had.
Thier tech support can be helful if you have the specific dimensions of what you're looking for. They had everything I needed in stock, but it was more $$ than I could fork over at the time.

I am going to mention it again. I am pretty sure I got my bearings from The Filling Station. Call them up and see if they can get them. It was sometime in May or June if I recall. I will look through my receipts later.

http://www.fillingstation.com/

Without seeing a picture of what you're dealing with I can't say that this is for sure an option but I'll put it out there anyway. Could you not find a set of current bearings with an ID to fit the spindle and an OD slightly larger than what the hub will accept and get the hubs machined to accept the new bearings?. Same with the seal. Just a thought.

I checked my receipts. I did get the bearings from the Filling station. They were $99 each for inner and outer fronts.

55, What are the numbers for the bearings you got at the filling station and who made the bearings.
Are you saying the cost of those are 99 ea. One would think the outer bearing would be a little cheaper than the inner as it is a smaller bearing.

Dan

The bearings were $99 for the inner and $99 for the outer. I kept the boxes but they are a generic box, that just says "ball and roller bearings" and the part numbers are written with marker. They have the same numbers as the original Hyatts that were in my truck. KA 11020 for the outer and KA 11410. There is no marking on the box who made them. The bearings are installed now, and I don't remember the name. It was three letters like, RAC or RAB. But I can't recall. They didn't have them on their shelves but I received them in about a week. I purchased them in April. There is a item on the invoice that says "Rep: JA". So I am assuming that is the person I talked to. The item number on the invoice just says NS-OLCAR for each bearing. So, I think it was sourced outside. The phone number is 800 841 6622. Hope that helps you.

Well fudge, seems we have reached an dead zone for coming up with good numbers for bearings, but I'm going to continue looking.
The inner bearing I ordered is in and the rep says it's a Hyatt bearing with the original part number.
For a company that went south long ago they must have made a bunch of those bearings.

At 99 ea. it seems to me that whoever can provide the bearing chooses to charge what ever they want.
Dan

You didn't mention that it was the Filling Station rep. Was it? and now they can't get the outer bearing? Did I get the last one?

$99 is supply and demand. It's the free market. :mad:

Hy glasman, my confusilator has been on the fritz for a few days. I checked another source, an actual GM book and it referenced the same numbers you say are incorrect, so two books have the wrong information. I gave you two other numbers for the inner bearings, 17888 is a cone, the I.D. is 1.75", the cup is 17830, it has an O.D. of 3.125", Napa p/ns for these are BRGBR17888 $67.99, and BRGBR17830 $19.69, have you checked these numbers out?

This may be a dumb question, but could the hubs have been swapped out at some point? You may have some casting or serial numbers on the hubs. Take a look and drop them here if you can find them.

I would take the old bearings to a bearing supply house and let them match them up for me.

Let me jump in again, I have gone through the same thing glasman is going through. I took my old bearings to two bearings houses in BC, and NAPA in Washington state. The two places in BC were a bust. The guy at NAPA must have been the most patient salesman NAPA has in the world. He went through several old cross reference books, and on the NAPA network and could not find any bearings. He spent 3 hours, I kid you not. These bearings are just hard to find. I am sure they are out there somewhere, I was lucky that the Filling station got my order. I would say keep an eye on ebay.

Bobb, I am going to try Ken's in Chilliwack. He has a lot of old stock.

I checked at Ken's. No go.

hit the bearing houses down in seattle via the phone with dim. i would send them some pic's and i bet they could locate some.

3B, The measurements you post are correct for that brg, but is it a tapered barrel bearing with a ring for the seal to ride on ?
This is a hard brg to describe if you have not seen one.
Today we see the seal ride a ring which is part of spindle, take that ring and put it on the inner part of the brg. and when installed in the hug the seal rides it because it protrudes through the seal.
What bearing manufacture does BRGBR refer to ?
The inner brg. I ordered from Bates in St. Louis,Mo the rep said was A Hyatt bearing.

Rustednuts- The truck is a low mile, unmessed with, stock looking truck so I don't think the hubs where changed out but here's the numbers on the frt. hubs- 3681888.
Let me know what that refers to if you find it.

Dan

Hy glasman, BRGBR is Napa's way of identifying their bearings, I suspect "BRG" is short for bearing, and "BR" is short for bearing, roller. As I told you in an earlier post, the picture of 17888 on the Napa site appears to show the bearing sitting up off of the table, and its thickness measurement is 1.28" if my memory serves me. I have ordered one of each of 17888 cone, and 17830 cup, just to verify that they are the bearings for this application, they will be here in a couple of weeks with my suppliers regular order.

If you can find a tapered roller bearing setup with the correct ID and OD specifications, it should be very simple to have a spacer ring machined for the seal to ride on. Just LocTite the spacer to the load tube or spindle, and go with the more common tapered roller as a replacement. I've done this on a couple of oddball imports with no direct replacement bearings in the past.
Jerry

Jerry, That would be an idea worth looking into and maybe a more common seal could also be found and used.

Dan

Jerry, That would be an idea worth looking into and maybe a more common seal could also be found and used.

Dan

Well guys,I have a little update.
Today I picked up the new Hyatt bearing from Bates Sales Co. which have their HQ in St.Louis. The bearing is stamped Hyatt with the original numbers but came in a pretty dark blue generic box along with another number (SO712895)which is on both boxes even though whats inside is different.
I asked the rep. where these come from and his reply was,"we have our sources".
He added that a lot of times a old stock is bought up by some outfit and reboxed for sale again.
It would seem as though there is some technicality in play here to justify the expense of reboxing these.....or maybe the original boxes got so old looking no one would believe there's a new brg. inside
It only boils down to the fact that the brg. can be bought but who has them past the retail level remains a mystery plus not every retail place can deal with a Hyatt number.

Dan

Sure isn't easy to find. So, if I may ask, how much do they ding people for? Like I said, mine were $99 each.

Forgive me,I should have put the price in there.
A11424- Brg.-46.84
11424-Z Cup -24.14
That's the inner brg.,in the beginning I had ordered inner and outer but after hearing the price I only got the inner cause the outer was being replaced as PM not because the bearing is bad.
Just trying to save some bucks on this brake job before the price goes beyond what I payed for the truck !!
Dan

LOL I paid way too much for my truck so I have more wiggle room before I double the price of my truck. How's that for logic?

I saved the bearings I removed. Only one of them looked bad (some pitting), but I wanted to replace everything while I was in there, and I am not positive if I can evaluate a good bearing for sure.