Way to go PapaJ. I was feeling around down there and I could have sworn I felt the butt end of a bolt. I was hoping that it wasn't a twisted off head left there by the p/o. That would explain it. I was kinda hoping to be forced into dropping the pan so that I can take a look and make sure that everything is looking good in there. So I don't need to take the pulley off? Is that right? Thanks a lot Papa. Keep your ears on cause I know I will be needing help again. I ain't know ex-spert lol.