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I bought a spare tire holder for my truck and I am thinking I got the shaft. Anyone have a photo of one and how they go on the truck? I can't seem to find how this thing would bolt on.

Brian

Brian - are you talking about a side mount??

No, I'm sorry, the rear one, under the bed.

Brian

Brian - for yer 48, should look like this [left side] - the later years look like this [bottom of page] , maybe you got the wrong type, or only part of it?

Bill

some more under the bed pictures and diagrams:

http://www.chevytrucks.org/tech/spare_tire_carrier.htm


-W

Well, I got the shbeega, that is not what I got.

Brian

Those old style ones are rarer than hen's teeth, so if you ever find one, expect to pay a lot. They are also a big PIA to operate, which is why I think they are so rare - the original owners threw them away first time they got a flat.

Wish ya luck Brian, are ya sure ya got the wrong thing?????
If someone were capable of producing a book showing all the under bed wheel carriers by year, body styles and capacities of all the Chevy trucks I’ll bet they could sell 10,000 right off the press. This subject comes up almost once a week here and on every other forum that I’ve been to. I was a Chevy parts man in the transition from the 50’s into the 60’s and didn’t see it all but I did see a lot. Unfortunately time and old age has robbed me of much of that information. So for the past year I’ve been clawing my way back up the tree of knowledge in search of the branch that holds the fruit of old Chevy pick-em-up trucks.

The illustrations in the parts book are only representative of the general layout of parts for group identification. Some of them are captioned with a specific year and/or capacity. So we’re still left with doubt as to exactly what the parts looked like for our particular year and body style and capacity, and when it comes to wheel carriers it appears that there were many variations.

The picture at the bottom of page 441 in the “Master parts 1929 to 1954”, shows 1951-54 Commercial, but what capacity? The drawings on the next page 442, show 1/2ton and 3/4ton Commercial Wheel Carrier, now would that be all of them? Not according to the parts listing. Here we see half dozen different possibilities. The illustration for the 3/4ton, appears to be a stake bed, not to many of us have a 3/4ton stake bed so that would mean that the illustration is incorrect for the 3604. It also appears to be an earlier model possibly before the AD? In the illustration I think we have a better chance, that appears to be a pickup rather than the panel or suburban, but what year, looks early?

When we look to the reprint of the “Factory Assembly Manual” we get yet another view of what the wheel carriers looked like. I have to assume we are looking at 1954 models in the illustrations of the under bed and side mount.

And Woo- the link you posted shows yet another take on the subject, don’t think I’ve ever seen that one before, looks more some of the newer trucks.

I don’t remember this but what exactly constitutes a Commercial unit? Is anything other than a Passenger style considered a Commercial unit?
I see “Unit Style: Double or Single” and ahh yes now it makes sense, a cab & box is a (dbl) and a suburban or panel is a (sgl).

Well every time we discuss this I learn a little more but, still, I remain perpetually confused!
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

I'll post a picture of what I got. I do know one thing, in one of the links you guys posted, I see a cross brace that ran across the back frame, a one and a half inch or so channel piece. I don't want to know of those are valueable! I don't want to know if I needed that piece! darn IT, I chopped up TWO of those!! Both my frames had them on it, and a chopped the darn things up to use as braces when I made a cab dolly out of one of the frames!

Brian

Well, here is a picture of the two cross braces I cut up (ARRGGGG). I thought they were aftermarket trailer hitch parts or something. Geeez.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa167/BasicsofBasics/Sparetirebraces.jpg

Here is the carrier I got.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa167/BasicsofBasics/Ebaysparetiresupport.jpg

Brian

If you don't care about originality and prefer something more user friendly, mount a winch style spare tire system under there. I know Nissan uses a chain type instead of a cable which is heavier duty and less prone to rust solid from the lack of use. They've always put full sized spares under their trucks,
Just a thought,
Scott

I don't care about "originality" but more of a vintage look. I believe in picking a theme and going with it with every nut and bolt if I can. If something doesn't fall in this theme, at least it is something that isn't very noticable. The spare tire thing is something I kinda wanted vintage because I just like those old carriers.

I will probably just make something up that looks vintage.

Brian

Brian, that is the receiver for the 47-50 spare tire holder shown in Woogeroo's post. The spare tire holder from 41-50 will slide into that receiver. The front of that receiver attaches to a simple 1 1/2" L metal bar attached to the frame rails. I don't recognise any of the parts you cut up as spare tire mounts.

Brian, I second what Rusty46 said. On my '50, I had the track that you show in your second picture. It bolts at an angle under the bed with the track side down. There is then a holder that slides on that track and has a treaded hook to hold the back side up. There is also a shorter arm that bolts over the tire when it is in place. Finding original pieces (other than the one you have) is near impossible. I know that Jim Carter is selling a repro for about $280.00 for the typically missing pieces.

Brian:
Can we get the translation on "shbeega"? I have a feeling I know where it went, but that is a new one on me. LOL.
Regards,
Steve

Well, first off, it is totally miss-spelled. I think it is a slang term that I can't find in the Portugese-English dictionary. It is word my dad used to say. Loosely translated it's "screwed".

Brian

I do however, recognize the parts that you cut. They are exactly the same as my spare tire holder that is under my 53. The good news is that you could use some 1x1 box steel and make darn near the same thing. They don't need to be open on one side for any reason. Drill the holes you need and your home free.

Here's my repro. Fits the truck perfectly. You can always drive down to Menlo Park and check it out.

[img]http://thumb2.webshots.net/s/thumb1/7/35/75/114973575pUdYxE_th.jpg[/img]

Thanks, see how that part sitting on top of the repro stuff in photo #3 is the exact part I have! At least it goes to the truck. But how does that part fit in?

Brian

From that view, The left is the rear and right is the front. On the frame mounted slide, that you are are referring to, there should be two horizontal bars bridging between the two frames, which the slide can fasten to.

On my slide the two bolts on the right end comes down through two holes in the frame. The single bolt on the left end goes up through another cross frame member.

I'll be happy to drop the spare and take a couple shots if needed. If your truck had this particular piece previously attached, it should be pretty obvious.

Denny, I am quickly understanding your frustration on this subject. But I also finally have grasped what that piece of mine does, geez I feel dumb as a rock.

Ok, so I have one small piece of the puzzle. I think I'll sit back and see if any other pieces come my way and take them as they come.

Thanks guys, Brian

Yep, as you can see from this thread alone, once again we have a half dozen opinions as to what you need.
Denny G

It wouldn't be a bunch of gearheads if anyone agreed about anything.

he he he!

-W

Your right there Woo, if there were 100% agreement there wouldn't be any need for this discussion forum. And I for one, wouldn't have met all these great guys I did this past year.
However it would still be nice to reach a consensus on these Advance Design under bed carriers.
By the way, anybody thanked you and Cletis for the job you two do here? Thanks!
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

I know one thing, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how this part I got on eBay worked. I figured, sure as poop stinks, I had gotten ripped off and had not left Feedback (even negative feedback, I give people the benifit of a doubt in most cases).

But with your help and seeing the part in action, I was able to leave positive feedback like I enjoy doing. He DID describe the item properly and shipped fast and all that so he DESERVED positive feedback. I would not have known that if not for you guys.

THANKS.

Brian

I don't have the actual carrier part for my truck, but I do have an unmolested '50 frame if you need pictures. My bed floor isn't bolted onto the cross sills right now so I can just pop it off and snap some if you want.

I will drop my spare and take some photo's later today.

Here are some more pics that I took today.


Once you click on this photo, there are two more shots to see.

[img]http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/64/464/8/71/65/2928871650050768402LZjTXg_th.jpg[/img]

If you didn't care about being visually correct, that thing could be easily replicated. Maybe even enhanced with rollers instead of a channel/slider type set-up.

Thanks for the picture, I've never seen one before.
Scott