The Stovebolt Site Forums The Shop Area General Truck Talk 235 morning start up(up-date)

just curious to know how some of you might start your 235 WITH-OUT CHOKE CARB in the morning.

mine does not have a choke so I usually have to pump the gas and play with it but usually starts fairly easy,,, how ever,, since I installed the new replacement electronic module mine seems like it is a lot harder to start,, once started, it runs , idles good and has quit the random dieing,,

I installed new plugs tonight, they were fairly wet,, and have been in the truck for a yr or so..I am going to let it sit for a couple of mornings before starting to see if the new plugs help.

The symptoms are,, it will crank and crank and go thru this cycle and finally fire off,just feel like I am using the starter a lot more then use to, up to the point that the carb has flooded,, at any rate I will get back in a couple of days to let you know if the new plugs helped... thanks..Fred

Joker,

Both my 216 and 235 start pretty quickly, even after sitting for several days.

Routine I use is: Pump pedal a couple of times, pull choke slightly (if it's been a week or more) turn key on, and depress starter pedal.

216 usually fires within 2-3 cranks. 235 will fire up within same number of cranks if it's been run in the last few days.

However, if it's been sitting for a week or more, or it's real cold, it may take 15-20 cranks before she pops. Could be that I could use a new battery though.

The 250, well that's a whole nother ball of wax. It usually has to crank several times before it pops at all.

Just curious... "I am going to let it sit for a couple of mornings before starting to see if the new plugs help." Can you really let that beautiful truck sit?

Eric, thanks,, it will be hard to let it sit with-out trying to see if it will start but that way I will get a better fill,,after I installed the plugs tonight it started right off,, so I will keep it in the garage and find out, Sunday morning,,

another question about these old foot starters,, other then running down a good battery is their any harm that you can do to them by steady cranking,,Fred

I don't think you can hurt it as long as you don't keep cranking for a long period of time.

I'm sure someone will correct me, but I believe as long as you don't overheat it, I don't think you should have any problem.

Fred with no choke a lot of times you can pump the acelerator a couple of times then let completely off the gas and crank. You can depend on it dying a couple of times but if it will run just long enough to warm the cylinders you can get over the big lean out when you first give it the gas....Ronnie

Why don't you install a choke? Simple enough install if your carb is set up for it and I am sure it is. On cold mornings I open my choke a bit and drive the truck until my operating temp is up then I close the choke. I have tried to close it earlier but it will balk.

And why do you not have a choke???

Just drive em and if you dont, you are missing some fun!

came that way...I dont think it is that unusual, I like your signature line

That's not his signature line, he's not bright enough to think for himself and create his own. Seems he's only here to cause trouble since he doesn't list an e-mail address or a name or any information at all. It won't be long before he's gone if he keeps it up,
Scott

you thinking the teacher might be pickin on the old man(guess I should add g)but I sort of like it that way........but one thing Scott,,, he is lucky that we aren't his next door neighbor Fred

my 235 starts on the third crank every time. if it has set a day or two i need to pump it a bit more but it still starts in three cranks. i have a choke but have not used it in the two years that i have had the truck.

This is just my opinion--and we all know what opinions are like.
I think those old girls (engines) love a 'choke'. My 235 (46) will fire up with only about 5 turns if she has full choke! That is as long as she hasn't sat for a week and dried out the carb! After it starts, about half choke is quite enough. I can drive away for about one block and then push the choke off and the engine runs like a charm.
Cheers, George

Fellows, this is where engine HEAT comes into play.

Fred, if you had engine heat to the intake, as soon as it fires, it would be warming the fuel for better evaporation into the cylinder almost immediately. The use of a choke would assist by putting alittle more fuel with not so much air. I think you'd find those wet plugs would disappear because it wouldn't take so much fuel to fire her up. While I think water heat is good, this is where I believe exhaust heat beats water heat.

Just my 4 sense worth!

Joe

The 235 in the 46 2 ton can sit for three weeks in 10 degree weather, and to start, you turn the key, stomp the gas pedal twice, then hit the stomp starter and she'll fire before it turns over twice.

Of course, you won't go anywhere till she warms up a bit.. but after 2 minutes or so of idle, you can take off in 2nd smooth as 2nd in a '46 2 ton can be.

Now the 235 in the '50 2 ton I had, seems like every time you tried to start it you had to jack with the choke.

Got rid of the choke and throttles on my 235... new rebuilt carb and HEI ignition... Even on these cold, New England mornings I pump her a couple of times and she truns over easy. I did have the starter rebuilt by one of the best and he did a superb job.

But still having a little problem with periodic backfiring... even when warmed up.

for what ever reason, the problem has taken place since I installed the replacement module in my mallory electronic dist, no points, condenser,before that I had no big problem with it starting, the only previous problem as mentioned was its random dieing, I did fixed this dieing problem with the new module.. tomorrow I will know if the new plugs help,I did find one of the ballast wires going to the - side of the coil not tighten good?? thanks for the response, other then the hard starting, it runs and idles great...........regards..Fred

might need to set timing Fred

Bill

When I put in my new HEI I had a problem with her starting but then shortly dying out on me. I put in a new ignition module and have had no problems since.... But you said that you solved the dying out problem right Fred?

right.......this was last week I installed a new ignition module, been hard to start since but once started,,,, the rest of the time during the day while driving or restarting, it is ok, just a problem on the inital start-up.Fred

Just a follow up after installing new plugs Friday,
went out to try it out this morn,hit the foot-pedal 3 times, stomp the starter and bingo,, she started right up and never missed a beat.. thanks to all of you that help me through this deal...........regards...Fred

Don't 'cha just love when that happens??!!