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#31525 03/04/2005 11:13 PM | Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 26 Junior Member | | Junior Member Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 26 | chevyvan77, I live in the country so 75% of my driving is on gravel, usually around 40-45mph. I do have a 4 barrel carb. Overdrive would help but...oh well. My rear end ratio is 4:11. So going down the hwy @ 65-70mph is about 3,000rpm. I've had tune-ups and really it runs quite well. When I first got it I drove it home on interstate and got 14mpg and was totally impressed. I do agree though...why buy something new if the gas mileage is the same? As long as you've got a vehicle you enjoy I guess that's the most important part. | | |
#31526 03/07/2005 3:33 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | cubic inches are cubic inches, and weight is weight. whether you've got a 2003 chevy van with a 6.0 or a 77 with a 400 smallblock, you're still talking 5000 lbs. and 365-400 cubic inches of engine. I think maybe the new trucks have better fuel economy potential if driven lightly, but who wants to do that? | | |
#31527 03/07/2005 10:27 AM | Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,571 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,571 | Hot Rod Dad, I'm building the 400 for the 'Vette. It's going to be an odd hybrid fuelie motor - LT-1 intake manifold modified for standard-flow cooling, probably with stock LT-1 heads also modified for standard cooling (cheap and flow well, especially with some port work). 5.7" rods are the most likely length. I haven't decided on pistons, but I don't want to get over 10:1 - 10.5:1 compression. This will all be backed up by a 5- or 6-speed manual. It should be quite fast, with plenty of torque -- much better than the late '70s smog-era L48 in there now. | | |
#31528 03/07/2005 1:39 PM | Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 1,586 Extreme Gabster | | Extreme Gabster Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 1,586 | Flat cams in 305's, how about 350's? I worked as a mechanic in a school bus garage for a time when construction was slow in this area.The company got about 25 brand new 1980 one ton dualy van school bus conversions,all 350 powered.Before 10,000 miles,half of them had wiped out cams using the 10/30 fleet oil that previously caused no problems in earlier 350 powered small buses.One bus actually threw a rod on the first school run it ever did.GM tried to ignore the problem,but for sure it was a cam quality problem. This school bus contractor company wouldn't buy full size Chevy 350 powered buses cause of cam problems in the past from heavy duty use. From what I heard from mechanics,Chevy small blocks often had cam failures when in heavy trucks. | | |
#31529 03/07/2005 4:03 PM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | whats the world coming to when you cant even rely on a chevy smallblock | | |
#31530 03/07/2005 4:17 PM | Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,571 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,571 | Sawby, I have to agree, but I'll rely on any GM engine except that annoying little carbureted 2.8L V6. | | |
#31531 03/07/2005 10:40 PM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 328 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 328 | I have been away for a while, so I'll just post to many things of what ya'll have said.
I have heard from MANY owners that the I-4 is WAY better than the 2.8 V6. I drove one with a 2.8, and I thought it was horrible.
While the 305 isn't the most powerful engine (because it wasn't meant to be), it's still a good engine for later guys (like me). For example, in 1973, it was HORRIBLE, but by 85, it had DRAMATICALLY increased. This of course isn't "pre-73" but it's an added point. I've got an 85 w/ a 305, and it's great.
So anyways Sawby, how much? I love my engine, but hey, a new engine is a new engine! Can you tell me some specs? email me or pm me, thanks! Stephen Hardy | | |
#31532 03/07/2005 11:43 PM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,554 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,554 | Evidently there were several versions of the 305 made.I have heard a lot of complaints on this site about them being underpowered.I had a 56 BelAir,that had a 305 high performance out of an 84 Monte Carlo.That little 305 blew the doors off of a lot of 350s.I never took the time to have it dynoed but it had plenty of power. | | |
#31533 03/08/2005 4:28 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | Hardy,
I didnt have the engine built and the guy who did doesn't remember too well. I do believe that it's freshly built though, because it runs flawlessly and quietly (leaky dual exhausts notwithstanding). I think if it had been driven in that bus for any length of time it would sound pretty dogged. Honestly this whole post could have been in vain because he may be wrong about it being a 305. It never made sense to me, I thought maybe he was dyslexic or something, but he sticks to his story so until I find the casting numbers or take the heads off I wont know. Horsepower, with the headers and the duals, I think could maybe be 180. It's only got a 1 barrel carb on it but it's got okay balls for a small block in a 13,000 lb. bus. I suppose if it's rebuilt it might not have a soft stock chevy cam, but who knows. It's a mystery motor, but it seems healthy. Put a bigger carb on it and tune it up and I'll bet it would run for ya in a smaller vehicle. I have to find a suitable replacement before I sell it...anyone got a 366 or 426 Tallblock truck engine in decent running ocndition? | | |
#31534 03/10/2005 12:32 AM | Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 622 Member | | Member Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 622 | With gas going up, you might want to reconsider that big-block upgrade. Run the 305 until it dies. 
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#31535 03/10/2005 4:51 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | shouldn't take long  | | |
#31536 03/10/2005 5:40 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 328 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 328 | | | |
#31537 03/14/2005 10:46 PM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | correction on the carb on my 305...it's a 2 bbl Rochester. Once again the information I got from the previous owner proved wrong. I could have a 350 yet. | | |
#31538 03/15/2005 12:26 AM | Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,067 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,067 | I looked up the 305 specs that were originally in my friend's 1982 Trans Am that I just helped him rebuild a 330 horse 283 for. The 305 in 1982 was good for 145 hp and 205 lb-ft of torque. The torque was okay down low, so it may be a good economy motor for a truck. However, I don't know if it would make any more torque than an I6 would.
By the way Saw4by...I checked with my friend on that tall deck 427 in his garage. It is spoken for, I'm afraid. There are plans for that motor...sorry.
52 GMC 3/4 ton pickup 68 Big Block Vette 68 455 Firebird | | |
#31539 03/15/2005 12:32 AM | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 158 Member | | Member Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 158 | I rebuilt a 305 last year, and put it in our 73 C 10. The motor runs great, and has plenty of power for what we do. We usually haul a bed "full" of newspaper to the recycling place, the engine works great. Came out of a 77 Nova. My thought on 305's is they work fine for lighter vehicles, but when you move up to a 3/4 ton rig, better upgrade to a 350 so you dont put too much load on the engine, unless of course you have the right gearing and such.
- Shane
- Shane (ChevyToughRebel) 2 Trucks; -1955 3/4 Ton Chevy -1979 3/4 Ton Custom Deluxe 20 4x4 1955 Second Series 3600 GED = Git Er Done
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#31540 03/16/2005 7:14 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | thanks for checking into that tall block Hot Rod Dad.
Shane as for your post, I think you're right about what the 305 is good for, but that said, I have a full length schoolbus with a 305 under the hood. Not for long though hopefully | | |
#31541 03/16/2005 11:09 PM | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 158 Member | | Member Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 158 | lol, um....yes you should probably get a bigger motor, like a 454. Wow, a 305 in a school bus?
- Shane
- Shane (ChevyToughRebel) 2 Trucks; -1955 3/4 Ton Chevy -1979 3/4 Ton Custom Deluxe 20 4x4 1955 Second Series 3600 GED = Git Er Done
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#31542 03/17/2005 2:37 AM | Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 215 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 215 | the 366 and 427 truck moters are unbeatable for a bus or truck In one of my dads trucks(GMC 7500) we built a 454 with (8 to 1) smog pistons RV cam stainless valves and 600 holley. And his outher truck(Chevy C70) has tall deck 427 it has 7.5 to 1 pistons factory grind cam and and 600 holley. It makes just as much or more low end tourq but mabe not qite as much top end power. Besides it has factory forged crank and four ring pistons  | | |
#31543 03/19/2005 9:13 AM | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 158 Member | | Member Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 158 | Hey thats pretty cool, never heard of gas engine having 4 rings, bet it lasts a little longer that way and has more compression than normal.
- Shane
- Shane (ChevyToughRebel) 2 Trucks; -1955 3/4 Ton Chevy -1979 3/4 Ton Custom Deluxe 20 4x4 1955 Second Series 3600 GED = Git Er Done
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#31544 03/19/2005 10:24 PM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | 4-ring pistons cant help your mileage, but in a medium duty truck who's gonna know? my dream motor for that bus is a 427 tall deck, but I can't seem to find one, apparently they were rare compared to the 366. | | |
#31545 03/19/2005 10:25 PM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | Shane, I'm more concerned about the build quality and durability of a 305 than its power. they aren't very good motors from what i've seen and heard of them, and the stress of heavy duty operation will probably kill this engine quickly | | |
#31546 03/20/2005 3:10 PM | Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,549 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,549 | I'm a School Bus Mechanic, here in N.Carolina, & at one time we ran about 50-60 1980 Chevrolet C60 School Buses(I purchased 4 of them myself). They were 350 powered, with Allison AT545 Automatics. The most common problem we had with them, was the cams, & that was only with about 10% of them. They had plenty of power. We still run 3, 350 powered activity Buses,'78, '80, & '81 models. So, other than the cams, they were pretty good engines. | | |
#31547 03/20/2005 9:24 PM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 | Originally posted by spanky: 350 powered, with Allison AT545 Automatics. Is that transmission a good one for a V-8 powered truck? I have a 454 powered P30 with a TH475 behind it. Would the Allison be better?
1955 1st GMC Suburban | 1954 GMC 250 trailer puller project | 1954 GMC 250 Hydra-Matic | 1954 Chevy 3100 . 1947 Chevy COE | and more... It's true. I really don't do anything but browse the Internet looking for trouble... | | |
#31548 03/20/2005 11:06 PM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | Is the AT545 that Allison Slip-0-matic with no lock-up torque converter? I hate that transmission, haha, what a slug with a diesel in front of it. I cant believe a 350 could push a school bus around tied to that slushbox | | |
#31549 03/26/2005 7:52 AM | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17 | I noticed this in the link provided by Xram:
Zinc is the amount of zinc used as an extreme pressure, anti-wear additive. The zinc is only used when there is actual metal to metal contact in the engine. Hopefully the oil will do its job and this will rarely occur, but if it does, the zinc compounds react with the metal to prevent scuffing and wear. A level of .11% is enough to protect an automobile engine for the extended oil drain interval, under normal use. Those of you with high revving, air cooled motorcycles or turbo charged cars or bikes might want to look at the oils with the higher zinc content. More doesn't give you better protection, it gives you longer protection if the rate of metal to metal contact is abnormally high. High zinc content can lead to deposit formation and plug fouling.
This makes me wonder, would a high-zinc oil help in an engine that was designed for leaded gasoline, but is forced to subsist on unleaded now? I know there are lead substitutes, but I don't know what they really are or how well they work. | | |
#31550 03/30/2005 3:42 AM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 90 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 90 | Saw, I've got a 305 in my 64, runs great, I only use straight 30w oil in it. I had a 307 bored to 4 in. making it a 327 big journal, which I ran in my stock car for 2 years without any problems, then sold it to a guy that put it in his camaro with a tunnel ram and ran it for another couple of years, hard and it never expired..........resto44 | | |
#31551 04/04/2005 10:22 PM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | I was thinking of straight 30, but I dont know about cold weather starts with it. I guess I can't have it all 7 ways, so there's gonna have to be a compromise somewhere | | |
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