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Howdy folks. Do you think it is a bad idea to prime my cab out doors? I am at the point where I am taking it back down to the metal and shooting my epoxy primer on it. Do you think the little bit of dust that will get in it will mess me up?

Dear Michael;

It won't matter a bit as; It all needs sanding prior to painting anyway.

Most shops would do it outside because it keeps the overspray off everything etc.

Good luck.

Spray primer outside all the time ...actually i like it better, can see well an the dust just is GONE WITH THE WIND ...lol

Hello out there,I can't keep quiet on this one! Now I know you guys are just trying to save a buck and do most of your own body and paint at home etc.using paint product out side is not only illegal where I come from ,but is also very poor for the ENVIROMENT!Ya Ya I know your just one guy,and so is the next, so on and so on.with all of the major paint suppliers moving to water bourn in the next couple of years,they are doing there part to help with harmful voc into the atmosphere,and we the old truck enthusist should try to do our part also,and any bodyshop spraying anything outside of a controled enviroment (ie) paint booth,prep station could loose there licence on the spot.ya it may sound a little extreme but it just makes me a little upset when shops have very tight rules to follow as far as usage of these products is concerned but any tom **** or harry can walk into a store buy some paint, and then do what ever he or she want's after that.that's my rant!

Yeah, I'm gonna worry about spraying primer outside when my neighbor has a meth lab going-some days you can't even breathe outside. Who controls meth-lab emissions?

As a retired member of that dreaded bunch of goverment contractors, I many times felt stupid that I could not throw away empty sand bags without washing first to get rid of silica dust. Empty quart oil cans in the trash were a serious no-no. We were not even allowed to wash a vehicle in an area without a waste water treatment equipped drain. Brent, you got a waste water treatment plant in your driveway for those phosphates in your car soap?

Bent ,
Sorry, but the emissions from me sprayin a little primer in the great outdoors in my VERY RUSTIC shall we say surroundins ...aint nothin compared to the local plant pumpin a zillion tons of crap into the atmosphere daily ...lol
I understand your point believe me , my Uncle -in-law has a body shop here in my town an it darn near bankrupted him to conform with his spray booth alone let alone all the other regs ..
an he been in business for over 30 yrs ..but he put in the filters an all that the law said he MUST have , an the shop still workin ...that was 4 guys that DIDNT LOOSE THERE JOB too the environmentalist ..I COMPLETLY UNDERSTAND YOUR FOCUS ...but ya have to have some give an take in it...just think of everytime you start your car ...You like all of us are doin harm to the ecosystem ...but it is us Humans that are f-in the world. an well i could go on an on ...point made

I can remember a time when all the gas stations had schredded asphalt shingles for driveways. And when they changed the oil in the garage, they would then dump the old used oil on the driveway.

Hiway departments dump millions of gallons of oil (asphalt) on the ground to build roads everyday.

And now the individual can't spray a little primer in his yard.

Where's the sense in this? We've had one of the coldest winters in years, yet we are experiencing Global Warming. And Al Gore can make a movie.

I can see spraying paint in a paint booth in a crowded metropolitan city, But it's different when you live in the country, (with a meth lab next door).

I can remember a time when all the gas stations had schredded asphalt shingles for driveways. And when they changed the oil in the garage, they would then dump the old used oil on the driveway.

Hiway departments dump millions of gallons of oil (asphalt) on the ground to build roads everyday.

And now the individual can't spray a little primer in his yard.

Where's the sense in this? We've had one of the coldest winters in years, yet we are experiencing Global Warming. And Al Gore can make a movie.

I can see spraying paint in a paint booth in a crowded metropolitan city, But it's different when you live in the country, (with a meth lab next door).

in my town the local paper mill has a permit to dump polutants in the bay i wonder if thats why the crabs are so big and all the sewer plants in the big cities dump treated efluent in the bay kind of funny they come after the little guy it all about money ill prime my truck outside

I am a little surprised about the cavalier attitudes displayed by many. I am sure though that in answering the question John H. Meredith in no way meant to imply that Michael1964 should knowingly ignore the laws regulating spraying paints at home.

For this interested I posted links to the laws in each state here:

http://www.stovebolt.com/bboard/cgi-bin//ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=004486

Personally I'd construct a cheap paintbooth even if doing it in my driveway. You can build one for under $200 using PVC piping and of course with an adequate fan.

I fail to understand how a cheap paint booth will prevent any fumes from escaping, dust maybe but not fumes.

For those interested:

http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Paint-Booth-in-Your-Garage

So do regular furnace filters stop fumes? Or just paint dust, etc? Usually the purpose of a homemade paint booth is to keep dust out of the painting area, with primer it is not as critical, my painter buddy primers outside often-he says you are gonna sand it anyway. Also primer is thicker which builds up more inside a confined area.

Geez it's just an idea and there are plenty of ways to install different filters instead of a simple furnace filter. I really am beginning to wonder why every time a post gets made on Stovebolt that advances safety, environmental advances, the LAW, that people become so aggressive. Do people really not care or do people really just come here to look for arguments?

Guess it's really time this time to say adieu to carnuts.

Robin58,

Thanks for the link, My garage is such a mess with sand and dirt that this is going to come in handy.

Ed

No, not at all Robin-I just wondered if the better furnace filters stopped any fumes, or if there were certain ones to buy that would stop some fumes, to keep some folks outta trouble. I got no problem where I live, I have one neighbor who wants me to paint his car someday & the other one is cookin' meth so I know he don't care.

I really don't think a furnace filter does much but I could be wrong. The other article I have here advocates building a box with a few filters in them but to me that makes no sense either because if a filter passes something at "xx" microns the next filter of the same type is going to do the same thing. I guess if you wanted to do it really right, then you can pick your way through these filters but of course for the real high-tech ones it gets a little spendy:

Link

That being said there are a number of articles about these types of paintbooths and they all seem to advocate the use of furnace filters. I know the plans on that Wiki allow me to comply with the law even with using an a/c filter and that's after we got slapped around here by the DEQ because of poor air quality.

I know Home Depot carries some that are real spendy, just wondered if those would make a diff or not. I guess you would get in trouble w/airflow if you get a filter that does a whole lot. If the DEQ said it was OK to use reg filters, maybe they worry more about particles, not fumes. I know a sure way to tee off neighbors in nice neighborhoods would be to dust things w/epoxy primer dust, that crap sticks to everything.

I can attest to that after washing my hands once in our master bathroom and somehow splattering some particles on the wall. Wish sometimes I could get it to stick to what I am painting half as good as what it did then.

I read somewhere that using a water bath in a filter would kill the fumes. I have seen filtering system that had a tank or pan of water in the bottom. The air would be pulled into the front part of the filter box and then sucked through the water into the outer filter box. The water bath of the fumes killed them.

You guys have it all wrong...what you have to do is put a few drops of Vanilla in your paints, this will cover the toxic smell and your neighbors will think you are baking, when you are done with your spraying invite the neighbors over (including the meth heads for pie)although meth heads usually are not hungry...shhhh this will be our little secret...........

Unless my ignorance is too great, now some darn fool will actually try puting vanilla in his paint and ruin his paint job.

There is nothing quite as pleasing than a shop after a few days of painting. A smell that really brings back memories. Ahh- yes

Just trying to extinguish all the heat in this forum Builder..notice the pie comment...

I have contemplated piping the exhaust from my plastic draped garage booth first through a furnance filter and then into the side of large stovepipe with a water misting hose in the top and a drain at the bottom. The theory being that the water mist would knock down a lot of fumes. Don't know if it will work, but have been thinking this might be worth a try.

Nifty 50 2, your concept can be made to work. It's the same principle as a single stage spray scrubber. They are used as part of some industrial air emission controls.

I think we have all been guilty when it comes to polluting the environment. I consider myself an environmentalist, yet I just sprayed a 2 part epoxy primer in my driveway. I'm guilty! A small fact keeps coming to mind.
70-80% of a vehicles lifetime pollution is spewed out during its original manufacturing. Mining, processing, smelting, etc. Yes, even the Toyota Prius is a major polluter, and it doesn't stand a chance of lasting as long as our stovebolts! So consider ourselves recyclers. Yet we should try to be as conscientious as possible when it comes to the environment, we all have kids and grandkids to think of...
Michael