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Hi, dne' here!
I hear that this site is 6cyl gurus on the internet!? Well help me figure this out please ; )
I have a '59 apache with a 230 motor and 4 speed on the floor tranny(grannygear). My motor is being held up by one little piece of metal on the left front of the motor! I didn't do it! HOW do I fix this properly?? Thank you!
dne'

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welcome to the shop dne' - the 230 would be non-original for 59, so you'd fix it with more patching, but done better than the person who swapped engines - the other possibility is to find a 235 or small block and do it the proper factory way .... I wouldn't drive it with only one mount in the front - also looks like the fan may be too far back from the rad, if so it'll overheat

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Well, putting another engine in is kind of out of the question right now. I just got it running really well. the link below is a '58 Apache for sale on Ebay. it has the 230 motor in it and looks very nicely done. I can do that, just need a little encouragement and advice, and surely somebody on this site has a solution, or at least an idea. ; )
optimistically,
dne'

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the solution for fixing hashed non-original modifications is pretty much a one-off deal that depends on your skills, knowledge and material at hand, I don't recall anyone here ever discussing installing a 230 or 250 into a task force series truck

can't really tell from your picture just what's there, but the 230 may be designed for a mount plate across the front that mounts to the frame at 2 points, or maybe at one center point .... my advice is to check around wrecking yards to find a truck with a 230 and get the correct mounts for it and work away at doing whatever it takes to adapt them to the 59 frame .... the original 59 engine mounted off the sides near the front, into the large hole visible under the alternator in your 1st pic, a hole must have been drilled for that single mount bolt, maybe his drill bit broke wink

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Just go buy some small block Chevrolet mounts. The 230 fits in the same frame as the newer style small blocks, not the old front mounts type. It should be a easy fix with frame rail mounts.

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I know it's probably considererd a big NO NO having this motor in this truck. I didn't do it, but I'm going to play with it for a little while as it is my project. I'll have my eyes open for an exceptional deal on a V8/AOD in the not so distant future. When I sell my '57 Chevy, I'll be looking much intensely for a superdeal(you can understand that).
As for my credentials, you can go to stangfix.com and see some of my work. I have probably more tools than most and I don't skimp when it comes to the right tool. I'm not some teenage kid, I'm a grown woman with strong desires to be the best at what I'm pretty good at.
I can mig weld, stick weld, braze, use an oxycetelne rig like no ones business.
I do my own paint n body work, however I didn't paint this truck). If I ask a question, I'm seeking sound answers to help me, and I find my questions pertinent to the problems at hand.
I do appreciate answers and whomsoever responds to my distress calls, and I can assure you before this project is totally finished, it will have nice rumbling V8~ ; )
In the meantime, allow me to have a little fun, ok wink
thanks,
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There is nothing wrong with putting that engine in the truck unless you want to maintain complete originality. They are a good dependable engine & knock about 200 lbs. off the front of the truck. I agree with Joe. You can put a univerasal crossmember in it & use the factory type mounting. Everything will be there if you decide to go to a V-8, but you may like it the way it is after you work out the bugs.


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dne' - a 230 isn't a "NO NO", just not a common swap, and I wasn't 'questioning your credentials' in the least, just pointing out that you're the one standing by the truck, and with the skills you state, the solution should be more evident to you than us .... from the other responses here, I looked again at the first pic and see the bolt bosses on the side for the proper mounts, as Joe and George say, what you'll need is a universal aftermarket cross member to install the proper side mounts .... a trip to the wrecking yard would find some, as I suggested

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Hi! sorry if I sounded a little huffy earlier frown I don't want to give ya'll the impression of being a butthead! lol I'm very friendly and like Casper the friendly Ghost, I just want to make friends! ; )
I had a talk with my husband over dinner a little bit ago, and I told him, in order to put AC/PS on this 230 is going to be difficult, look strange, only to later install a V8/AOD would be kind of dumb, and not a wise choice by any means. He kind of gave me the OK to do what I want(within reason monetarily). I think I may have my '57 Belair sold(I hope I hope), then I'll have the funds to talk to my engine builder to see what he can come up with. He should be able to build me a sbc for a reasonable amount, then find a AOD (700r?)or whatever everyone is doing.
Then once the motor is out, I can redo the engine bay. Of course one thing always leads to another in sequences/opportunity to upgrade while the motor is out>Power steering gear/steering column,ie.. So, maybe this would lower the front end just a tad? I had installed a 2" lift in the rear; I thought it sat a little low. I don't want a low rider.
Sorry for the lengthy explanation~ ya'll have a nice evening~ I'll be back soon enough! ; )
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A number of years ago, "Chuck the Truck" did up a 52 Chev truck with a 230 or 250 in it. Chuck the truck's 52 Chevy Now of course that is the previous generation of truck but the same motor mount problems would be there. He had a very extensive set of photos and explanations on his webshots. I would imagine he has contact links both on this site and his own site.


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Forget the V8 and overdrive, its been done all ready. If you want something cool with good power, stick a 292 in it with overdrive, how many of them have you seen? Or update the 230 with a 250 crank and pistons for a 250 cubic inch engine. The 230 is on the small side, but still better then late model V8!

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dne007, Hello and Welcome to the Stovebolt Page. You'll find a LOT of answers and suggestions here even if some of them aren't the ones you necessarily want.

If your determined to install a SBC in your TF then give a look to the factory crate motors as they have something there for everyones price and requirements. Most have a factory warranty from GM that is hard for the local guy to compete with. Being the StoveBolt Page we are naturally predjudiced towards inline 6's but it is your truck and we support doing it your way.

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