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#730572 03/17/2011 12:01 AM
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Check this out bolters. I work at the heavy equipment shop for the Border Patrol and we had this bus up on the lift and I couldnt help but notice this setup on the front axle. Older mechanic working on it said it might be able to be done to an AD truck since he used to own one. Just never seen anything like it. Hmmm pix headscratch
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That looks like a nice front suspension, what kind of bus, it doesn't look all that big?

Here's how I put air springs on my AD truck
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2324065910080251109mrqkVs
Pretty simple to do, still have the leaf springs but they are weak enough that the bags bottom out with no pressure in them.

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Its a 2001 Bluebird, its actually kind of a big bus. Its used to transport criminals/aliens bcuz it has stainless steel seats and cages. I think its a nice setup

How does your truck ride with the airbags inflated?

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Seems like it rides nice what little I've driven it, but it's not really on the road yet.

I wasn't so much looking for airbags like many folks do, to make it low or a smooth ride... I simply wanted helper springs to get it back up to ride height and have some adjustment for different loads. They do that, now if the ride is really nice because of it that's an added bonus.

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1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
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Watson and Chalin used to make them, but I don't see them in their catalog anymore. It looks like a Watson and Chalin unit. Ridewell still makes a unit like this. http://www.ridewellcorp.com/Web/Site.nsf/ID/RAS238

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I would assume Airlift and Air Ride do also. They both have a lot of kits though. I built my own from parts from them both.

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Thats crazy how they got so many styles of setups but I guess my real question is why hasnt anyone done this to an AD truck?

Apparently its possible with a solid straight axle!

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I rcall someone asking about doing that a while back. It may not have been here, as I was also a regular on the Gearz site at the same time, but I don't see why it couldn't be done. Using the front suspension from a 2wd Jeep late '80s/early '90s Jeep Cherokee might be one way to go, as they are a 4 link coil spring suspension. Replace the coils with airbags. Suspension from the 4x4 models and the '94-'02 Ram 4x4 could also work, same design exept with a drive axle instead of a tube axle.


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I totally agree with you Longbox55. All youre really doing is eliminating the leaf springs and using an air bag instead. Just have to fab up some type of 4 link or even 3 maybe? headscratch

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I think before going to the trouble to fabricate a front air suspension figure out what for...
What do you hope to gain by doing it, will you actually gain anything, and is it worth it?

Leaf springs are pretty good at their jobs.

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Cool! Thanx for the input! cool

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Air ride on the drive axle does a lot more than air ride on the steering axle. Air ride has been tried on the steering axle for many years and very little has been accomplished. The first steering axle failure I can remember was when GMC offered it on their cracker box cabs in the 60's. Owners retrofitted them with springs. Air ride on the drive axle is great. And on trucks with a tilting hood, air ride on the cab is great too.

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Originally Posted by Grigg
That looks like a nice front suspension, what kind of bus, it doesn't look all that big?

Here's how I put air springs on my AD truck
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2324065910080251109mrqkVs
Pretty simple to do, still have the leaf springs but they are weak enough that the bags bottom out with no pressure in them.

Grigg
How did that work out for you did you use it to actually lift the front up from being low?


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So far so good.
Yes, I put a little air in them to pick it up to normal height. Plan to use automatic leveling valve eventually, it will compensate for load and keep the same height.

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1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
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Originally Posted by Grigg
So far so good.
Yes, I put a little air in them to pick it up to normal height. Plan to use automatic leveling valve eventually, it will compensate for load and keep the same height.

Grigg
Did you buy a kit if so any info on it or did you fab it all yourself?


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Msde it muself, RE5 bags from slam specialtys I think.


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Originally Posted by Grigg
Msde it muself, RE5 bags from slam specialtys I think.
Ok cool thanks do you get alot of lift out of it i was going to IFS my truck but with the expense i think im going to keep it straight axle but i want it slammed low but yet still have air ride


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Cant help you there. Don't see how what I have is any lower than stock or how you would do so, not and have the bags between axle and frame..



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On an AD truck the front spring packs are relatively flat. Not alot of room between frame and axle. Going outboard creates a problem with steering clearance. Not to menting the front frame being tapered, it would be a fabrication nightmare. If one wants to jump in the airbag game, it'll be headfirst without a life vest.




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