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I got the guy over today again that is going to paint My truck we went over a list of stuff I got to get .I am going to do the bare metal primer than He is going to do the body work and the primer filler and the final paint . He told Me to get dupont Centari has anyone of us used this and what do You think , I do not want metalic in the paint just a nice color and a original look .


Thanks, Pete

I've never had good experiences with DuPont paints. They have a nasty habit of peeling off after a few years. Both my Blazer and my Dads '88 2500 have DuPont paint on them, and the clear, and in the case of Dad's truck, the color coat, is peeling off.
Personally, I prefer PPG, superior product. Also cost much less.

Can not believe no one has painted there truck and what paint to use or is good .


Pete

take a look at mine, tractor enamel

Pete,

A lot of people have painted their trucks (looks like Bill is one of them).

You originally asked about the Centari line from DuPont "has anyone of us used this". It's only been a day since you posted this; however, maybe many people have not used the Centari line?

I have never used DuPont automobile refinish paints because I have a good PPG dealer nearby. I have used (and will continue to use) PPG Concept DCC single stage (direct gloss system) acrylic urethane; and, I will continue to use PPG preparation/primer/sealer products recommended for use with the DCC line.

Try a search on centari you'll get 34 results.

Tim

Last fall I finished painting my fire engine with an acrylic urthane. A nice bright red orange. Ten days later I rubbed the finish out. It sure turned out beautfull. Of course the paint job is only as good as the finish it's going over. I spent a number of months of prep work. Sanding, primer, and wet sanding and the right products applied before the paint is applied. Acrylic urethane is expensive, however the finish coat is only done once. If I was to do it all over again I for one will/would use this kind of paint again.

tim, you put alot of good info here, would you mind for a non-painter explain you answer, in other words: ppg; dcc; ect.
I am still learning all of these terms, thanks

PPG is the world's largest supplier of automotive refinish paint
PPG bought Ditzler that was at one time a well-known manufacturer/supplier of auto paint.

Deltron is a high-quality paint line from PPG

DCC is one of PPGs highest quality single stage (two part) acrylic urethan paint. Single stage means you achieve a glossy finish with one finla-coat product (rather than using a two-stage finish-coat product, a BC/CC BaseCoat/ClearCoat). All urethane (and epoxy) paints are "two part"

DCC Concept Urethane (there are other excellent products by PPG and other manufacturers)

It is of utmost importance to be sure that any product you use from the bare metal upwards is compatible with all other products, especially with the topcoat. Here are PPG products that are guaranteed to work with Deltron final coat paints.

Two words of warning (in addition to using all-compatible painting product) are silicone contamination: many rubber lubrications and rubber conditioners, and many paint waxes and conditioners contain the miracle shine ingredient, silicone. Even minute traces of silicone in your paint room, and/or in/near any painted or non-painted surfaces, and/or on any of your painting tools/components will ruin your paint job. Better safe than sorry - do not use silicone-containing products at any time AND clean/wash any surface to be painted multiple times with new, clean, white, cloths (or raw paper towels), using a recommended paint prep/surface cleaner (throw away the cleaing cloths/towels after each wiping).

There are different reasons why different brands, quality, and types of finish paints might be chosen for use on any given vehicle. There is no "one product suits all" solution. I will use DCC on my restorations because I want a single stage paint (as original) that can be buffed to a high gloss, that is hard and long wearing, and which has a known long-term stability in its "color integrity".

Also, if you have looked at the the 47-55 Paint Paint Colors Tech Tip, you will see (at the bottom) that PPG has a vintage paint color matching service that has not yet failed me (even in finding codes for esoteric colors such as Pulsar Gray, Thistle Gray, and Anvil gray).

My restored trucks will eventually be owned by my offspring (many years from now, I hope) and I am interested in having a high probability that the paint finishes will last a long time.

There is an excellent set of Basics of Basics posts about painting. These are so informative and useful that they should be listed in the Tech Tips. Try searching the last 10 years of the Paint and Body Shop forum on Stovebolt.com:
- select "Search" to the left of FAQ in the menu above the posts
- select "Advanced" at the bottom of the drop-down dialog box
- type "Basics" as the search term that is to be found
- check-off the circle (radio button) to the left of "in subject"
- fill in Date Range as newer than 10 years

Basis of Basics by MARTINSR, Brian Martin
Paint Technology
Surface Cleaners

I'll second that about Brian's Basics series. Auto Body Store.com has a list of at least some of them.
http://www.autobodystore.com/martinsr.shtml

Yes, I did do the body and paint work on mine. Used PPG products for most of the paint work, although I did use some rattle can primer when I did the basic body work. I used Delstar Acrylic Enamal and their Kondar primer/surfacer.
I would like to note, the failed DuPont on my Blazer and Dad's truck was not done by me. The Blazer was done by a local body shop (no longer in business, owner retired) that used only DuPont and had a very good reputation. Dad's trucks paint issues are a combination of a repainted hood done by the dealership that the finish failed, but there's also factory Dupont that has also failed. I have also seen many GM cars with peeling/failed finishes (GM uses Dupont as OE), blue seems to be the worst offending color.

I have used DuPont Centari and it serves a purpose for a budget minded job. I believe it is one of there budget brands. I did my truck in PPG Concept DCC single stage and DBU BC/CC. The results are fantastic; however, to the earlier points it really comes down to the prep work. Many many many hours went in to preping the truck for the final paint.

I've always used Centari, mostly because the NAPA a block from me that has body shop supplies carries Dupont has worked well on my trucks, over 15 years each on 3 different trucks in a paint unfriendly climate

Bill

Paint peels as a result of poor prep work. Finish paint is no better than the effort put into what's under it.

Thanks all , I get alittle nuts when I got to have something done on My truck that I am not doing Myself , so far everything on the truck I did , the paint is so important all the work comes down to it ,I want the truck to show the time and care that I have done so far , plus I do not understand all the paint terms when I did paint , long ago , wasn't all these different kinds . If I some place to do it I would do it Myself , I'm sure You guys understand .


Thanks Pete