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#183500 06/11/2005 5:50 AM
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Since i'm a newcomer and don't know anything about the trucks, except that they look great, can anyone tell me anything about the 216/235 engine swap? It seems fairly common. 235's, all the same or are there differences? I'm looking at a '50 and a '51 this weekend. Any pointers? All help is appreciated.


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Tech tips

The first thing to do is read the Tech tip articles provided by the members and staff of the Stovebolt. You can find a lot of information without asking questions, in fact after reading the articles you should have a healthy list of questions to ask.

FYI, the early stovebolts were 216 with poured in place babbitt bearings and the later 235 engines were fully pressurised so that the oil would get to all of the working parts and they has the sleeve style bearings. These engines are more common and have been used as the alternative to the 216. Don't forget to check out the "other" replacement engines the Chevy 261 and the GMC 302. When looking at your first truck, think about what you know, what you don't know and how much time and money do you want to spend. I love this hobby and even though I sometimes get lost in the project a good dose of the stovebolters advice and encouragement keeps me going.....Have fun! grin .......g

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adding another question. What does "AD= Advance Design" mean?


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1947-1954 Advanced Design Pickups

Chevrolet's radically different 1947 Advanced Design light-duty trucks represented a sea change in pickup design and appearance. The nation was entering the exciting Post World War II era and after four long years of war the American people, especially the veterans, were looking forward to new opportunities in the world's greatest country. There was no better way to put the past behind and look to the future than with new lines of America's favorite form of transportation - cars and light trucks. Post War automobiles followed a little more than a year later than the new trucks. GM was the first manufacturer to release the new-look post War trucks late in the 1947 model year as 1947 models. They were announced at Chevrolet dealer showrooms on Saturday June 28, 1947.

There is so much that could be said about the new Chevrolet pickups that we could fill a small book. For lack of space we will stick to the basics. Truck engineers typically began development work on a new series by surveying truck users. Personal interviews with business owners revealed the number one concern with trucks was a larger, roomier cab with more comfortable seats and better vision. Please note that owner interviews at that time in history were held with business owners not with individuals who owned pickup trucks for transportation only. The cab of the Advanced Design pickups was eight inches wider and seven inches longer. By pickup standards increases of this magnitude only happen once in a lifetime. The cab's new size allowed the engineers to fit in with a true three-man seat which was also fully adjustable front and rear on an inclined plane to provide maximum driver vision. The additional cab width and length caused the new pickups to look much bigger than previously.

A new larger windshield and bigger side and rear window glass and optional rear-quarter windows vastly improved safety and driveability. Higher and wider cab doors made entry and exit easier. Another new feature which further contributed to driver comfort and safety was a fresh-air heater/defroster system which brought fresh outside air into the cab and forced used air out through vents at the rear of the cab. Chevrolet engineers designed the new cab's construction to be entirely welded, as opposed to partly bolted together as in the past. Consequently the new cab was much stronger and featured a three-point type of suspension, which contributed to a softer ride.

Chevrolet engineers included three pickup truck types in the new Advanced Design Series in three-sizes, half-, 3/4- and one-tons (models 3104, 3604 and 3804 respectively) with cargo boxes 78 inches, 87 inches and 108 inches long. All three boxes were 50 inches wide, 16 1/4 inches high on the sides and 14 inches high in the ends. Wheelbases were 116, 125 1/4 and 137 inches. For each model the cargo box was shifted forward for better distribution of the load in relation to the rear axle and for better support by the frame rails. All pickups continued to be built with wooden cargo floors covered with steel skid strips. Advanced Design pickup's engine was the 90 horsepower, 174 ft-lb. of torque, 216.5 cubic inch Thrift Master OHV six cylinder. The half and 3/4-ton pickup's standard transmission was a three speed and a four speed was optional. Only the four speed was available for the one-ton.

In addition to pickups, the Advanced Design light-duty truck's with body line continued to include half- and one-ton panels and canopy expresses; 3/4- and one-ton stake trucks; the Carryall Suburban and the automobile based on the Sedan Delivery. Advanced Design pickups continued through 1953 with only minor engineering and styling upgrades. For example, in 1948 the four-speed transmission's gear shift lever was moved to the steering column from the floor and the parking brake was changed from a floor mounted lever to a foot actuated pedal on the driver's far left. These changes cleared the floor of obstructions for the convenience and comfort of the passenger seated in the middle. The former four-speed spur-type transmission was changed to a synchromesh unit to eliminate double clutching.

In 1949 the gas tank was moved to inside the cab behind the seat back. In 1950 the 216.5 cubic inch six was tweaked to put out 92 horsepower at 3400 rpm and 176 ft-LB of torque at 1000 to 2000 rpm. In 1951 the left-side cowl vent was eliminated and was replaced by door vent windows. New push-button door handles were a 1952 model year introduction. The first, and only, major Advanced Design styling and engineering changes occurred with the 1954 models. These models featured a pleasing one-piece windshield, and all-new grille, new parking lights and a new steering wheel and instrument panel. Engineering advancements included the new standard 235.5 cubic inch OHV six cylinder engine producing 112 horsepower and 200 ft-LB gross torque. The full automatic Hydra-Matic transmission became an option for light-duty trucks. These trucks continued into 1955 and remained on sale until March 25, 1955 when all-new Early V8 pickup trucks were announced by Chevrolet.

Chevrolet pickups were number one in sales during every year of the Advanced Design Era.

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#183504 06/11/2005 12:23 PM
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Jerod,

A few clarifications, additions, and corrections to the material given/quoted by GMONIZ above:

"1947-1954 Advanced Design Pickups"
"Advanced Design Era"
I think the name is "Advance Design" series trucks for light, medium, and heavy duty Chevrolet trucks from 1947 second series (1947.5 or 1947-2nd) through 1955 first series (1955.5 or 1955-1st).

The analogous GMC truck series was called "New Design". There were many differences between the Chevrolet and GMC trucks during those years, especially with regards to engines, front sheet metal, gauges, and electrical systems.


". . in 1948 the four-speed transmission's gear shift lever was moved to the steering column from the floor..."
I think this refers to the three-speed transmission's shift lever moving from the floor to the steering column.

The 216 engine was used from 1947.5 to 1953 in Advance Design trucks (introduced in 1937) and it is usually characterized by it low-pressure oil system. The 235 engine was introduced in 1941 and it had a low pressure oil system in trucks until 1954. This older 235 truck engine was available as an option or standard in heavier duty trucks, depending on the size.

From 1954 through 1962, the 235 higher pressure oil system engine was the standard engine in light trucks; during these same years, a 261 truck engine was available as an option or standard in heavier duty trucks, depending on the size.

A 235 automobile engine (often called the Blue Flame Six) became available in 1953 on PowerGlide (automatic) Chevrolet automobiles. This 235 was the standard automobile engine from 1954 to 1962. It had the higher pressure oil system and hydraulic lifters (all truck 235/261 engines had mechanical lifters.

It is fairly straight forward to get any 216/235/261 engine to interchange. Some of the differences (that are easy to adapt or adjust for) were motor mounts and water pumps.

The GMC engines during those years (228/248/270/302) were longer and a little harder to adapt for installation in Advance Design Chevrolet trucks.

The GMC electrical system had a positive ground until 1955.5 (I think), while the Chevrolet system always had a negative ground. Both Chevrolet and GMC trucks had 6 volt electrical systems until 1955.5. A very common conversion is to change the 6 volt sytem to a 12 volt system (there is a technical article on this in the "Tech Tips" section of this web site.

As GMONIZ says above, read the Tech Tips, search this Discussion Board, and ask questions (and post pictures).

Good luck,
Tim

#183505 06/12/2005 4:55 AM
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You will also need to get the stamped engine numbers off of the block, between the starter and the distributor, to see which engine you have now. There's a chance it already has the 235 upgrade. 216's just didn't last very long if you used the truck as a truck. I've got an old 48 with only 18,000 miles on it and it has a 1955 235 in it.
Good luck getting and fixing up and old truck and welcome aboard,
Scott


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