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#176795 10/15/2004 1:12 PM
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Just received this from a friend of mine in SoCal.

Hands Up!

The State of California Targets Street Rod Owners for Potential Fraud

By Brian Brennan

On Wednesday the 6th of October, 22 law enforcement agents and other
individuals from the State of California, Department of Justice Fraud
Division, Department of Motor Vehicles, California Highway Patrol,
Department of Automotive Repair and others arrived with guns drawn and flak
vests on at the shop of Boyd Coddington Hot Rods & Collectibles (La Habra,
California).

No, this wasn't the making of an episode of American Hotrod but rather a
bonified attempt to serve a warrant issued and carried out by duly vested
officers for the purpose of investigating Boyd Coddington on the suspicion
of fraud. The alleged fraud charges stemmed from an ongoing investigation by
the State of California that has for the past several years been limited to
the kit car industry but has now been expanded to the street rod industry.
The State of California is looking for cars that meet one or more of the
following criteria that would lead to registration or license fee fraud

Street Rodder has learned via e-mail communications with Robert Morgester,
the Deputy Attorney General Special Crimes Unit for the State of California
Department of Justice, "The California Attorney General's Office has been
conducting an investigation into the fraudulent registration of replica
vehicles. The initial investigation was limited to Cobra replica vehicles
due to known VIN sequences. We are aware that the same fraudulent vehicle
registration issues apply to other replica vehicles and hot rods.

To correct a common misunderstanding of California law, it is a felony to do
the following:
1. Register a vehicle where the year of vehicle is misrepresented;
2. Register a vehicle where the value of the vehicle is understated; or
3. Register a vehicle where the year of the vehicle is misrepresented to
avoid compliance with California smog laws.

Any of the above actions are a felony in violation of Vehicle Code Section
4463(a). Additionally, the above actions constitute the crime of perjury, in
that all statement of facts contained in California DMV documents are taken
under penalty of perjury."

In speaking with Boyd Coddington he told SRM that the State of California
seized certain company records for further investigation. Boyd also told SRM
that three license plates were removed from vehicles within his consignment
shop. These vehicles were built decades ago by the likes of Fat Jack and
Pete & Jake's. Apparently the state of California is looking into any
improprieties that would lead to the state being "shorted" tax or
registration dollars.

Boyd also told SRM that he had to show records proving such vehicles as the
Whatthehey and the Alumatub were legally registered and taxed, which they
were. He also had to show records on two of his Boydster's that were built
and given away as to how they were registered and how were the vehicle's
values determined and did the new owners pay the appropriate taxes. At the
time of this writing it appears Boyd's business has done everything
according to the law but that SRM has been told the investigations will not
stop with his shop. Boyd was singled out because of his "visibility" on the
television show American Hotrod and that other California builders would
soon be paid a visit.

Additionally, SRM learned that law enforcement officials, it is believed
were California Highway Patrol, recently visited the Labor Day Cruise, held
annually in Costa Mesa at the fairgrounds, looking for "suspicious"
vehicles. When asked what constituted a "suspicious vehicle" it was
determined that any fiberglass car is suspect.

Again, according to the Office of the Attorney General from the State of
California, its Department of Justice, "To date, the ongoing investigation
has identified at least five other out-of-state companies that have provided
fraudulent vehicle purchase agreements and titles to California vehicle
owners. The companies are in Alabama, Nevada, New York and Florida. The
Attorney General's Office believes as many as 70,000 vehicles have been
illegally registered in California through these scam operations.

The California Department of Motor Vehicles is in the process of canceling
registrations that involve documents obtained from Titles Unlimited. (Titles
Unlimited is believed to have provided false documents to Californians that
cost the state more than $1 million in tax revenues and license fees over
the past two years, and as much as $14 million since 1975, when the company
began operating.) The Attorney General's Office also has notified law
enforcement officials in more than 20 counties regarding residents who
titled their cars through the company for possible prosecution."

Attorney General Bill Lockyer of the State of California tells us that an
Alabama man was convicted on felony charges for issuing false vehicle titles
in a scam that has cost the State of California millions of dollars in lost
tax revenues and license fees.

"This illegal operation provided false information regarding the purchase of
expensive vehicles to hundreds of Californians, which allowed them to avoid
smog requirements and pay reduced sales taxes and vehicle registration
fees," Lockyer said. "At a time when California and its residents are forced
to confront painful budget choices, these scam artists defrauded the state
and all law-abiding taxpayers who have done their part to get through our
economic slump. We will continue to investigate to ensure these tax cheats
are brought to justice."

Street Rodder has contacted SEMA and they are immediately investigating to
see what options rodders have, especially the thousands of rodders who have
operated in good faith for decades and have done nothing to raise the
suspicion of the state. To all street rodders this is the single most
important subject to be addressed by our industry in all the years that any
of the staff members can recall. Stay in touch with Street Rodder: we are on
top of his developing story and will bring www.streetrodderweb.com readers
more information as we get it.


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Stuff like this makes the Hot Rod Builders, parts suppliers and vendors move to Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico.

anyone else notice how a lot of parts vendors for the aftermarket are moving their facilities out of California?

I swear... all that good weather in California must really work on the brain or something.

Man, I'd hate to have to register anythgin in California, I've read some horror stories about trying to get anyhtign odl that' had motor/tranny swaps... new cabs, etc.. registered.

I know they seem to need the tax money, but I had a friend who lived out there for awhile... and from her experience, I can see why people would short change them...

I'm not saying it is 'right' but I can understand it.

dadgum government's way out of hand everywhere.

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Well the article seems long on fear factor and short on facts--I can't figure out what has been violated--course we're dealing with a State that enforces its trash collection fees with property liens ( grin grin grin ) I'm guessin that this may be a problem with somebody puttin a rod together from a bucket of parts and then assignin a year but who knows.

Here in Texas, its a 3rd degree felony to misrepresent ur vehicle or its value(sales price)--but enforcement actions are rare or infrequently publicized--always smart to figure the regs out and follow them. Looks like it may be time for Leno and Arnold to get in another tiff grin grin


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One thing that is nonsense is that no judge will issue a warrant without probable cause. If the reason they raided Boyd's was just because he is on tv and famous that would not be enough cause. There is obviously more to that story.

There has been a long discussion on the Camaro forum about the new 69 convertible body that will be for sale soon. The question is what should it be registered as? Some even think just putting the parts from their rusted Camaro over should now just make it a parts replacement, only, its the whole car. It seems to me these things should be registered as kit cars which means the car has to adhere to current smog laws.

I have heard there are Cobra copies registered as 66 vehicles. I don't see how that could be legal.


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An aquaintance built a plastic bodied roadster kit car here in OR several years ago and registered it with DMV as a '34. Always had to shake my head at that as there was narry a piece of 34 anything on that car.

Course that's our DMV and "making sense" need not enter the conversation.......

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One of the guys in the office talks about Model A's an T's that are being built from scratch and then sold as originals. That is fraud.

The average Joe just wants to get his project car on the road and if smog regulations make it impossible he will find a way. He doesn't mean to defraud anybody.

Seems to me that the solution here is simple: exempt kit cars and street rods from smog regulations. Generally a kit car is driven no more miles in a year than your average antique car so what's the difference? There are guys here lobbying the government to create a special "street rod" plate - I hope that it works out.


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I think some of us are going to Jail.


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Apparently the state of California is looking into any
improprieties that would lead to the state being "shorted" tax or
registration dollars.
Yeah, that's cause for guns drawn and flak vests. There probably is a little more to the story I'd think.
With the exorbitant fees California charges, I can certainly understand the temptation to try and pull the wool over the eyes. But I guess if you don't wanna pay then move elsewhere or risk getting caught and paying even more for a bad choice.
Boyd Coddington sucks anyway.
Sorry, I was forced to say that by the little devil on my left shoulder.


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The Government/Big Brother is displaying its full intention (to those of us paying attention) that they do intend to legislate us out of anything older than ten years old. To include all customs, rods, antiques, and the like. They want to make it incredibly difficult (then impossible) to register these cars for street use of any kind. Assuming even their possession is allowed, they'd be allowed only as a display vehicle or museum piece that's permenantly disabled, like weapons on vintage military vehicles are currently. Given the current horrid state of our Federal and State governments, local land use and zoning laws, unfunded EPA maandates, and the like, should the above statements be considered as mere paranoia, or a portent of things to come?

Look at how the SUV has been demonized in the past five or so years. Gun owners and cigarette smokers have endured the wrath of the government "do-gooders" for years. Now, it's the car owner and the fat guy. The nanny/police state is ready to save you from yourself, damned be the costs!!! Or the consequences! Think of a guy in a bad suit, asking "May I see your papers, please?"

Back to my initial statement. Nearly all vehicles built since around 2000 have the OBD-II diagnostics, which allow not only the dealer, but law enforcement, rental companies and others to see what your car has been doing and where you've been, how fast you're going, etc. Any "On-Star" equipped vehicle can be tracked with or without the owner's permission, even if you don't subscribe to the service! There is legislation in the British Parliament that would require any new car sold to be equipped with the technology allowing remote sensors to disable your car if you speed, dispatch a wrecker to your disabled car (you pay twice, surprise!), send you a ticket electronically, and debit your bank account instantly for the fine! Wow, who needs a court of law??? Can't do that on an "old" car, or a kit, rod, etc, can you?? The scary thing is, people actually WELCOME this because of the ubiquitous "public good"!!! Think street light cameras don't invade your privacy??? In London, the average person appears on security cameras 325 times per day; more if they drive into the city!!!

Think Big Brother is bad now??? Say nothing, kick back, think "that'll never happen here in the USA!", and relax. eek :mad:


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Yep this is gonna get contentious--I agree with Palmer building a car with new parts and licensing it as a prior year is an obvious effort to evade pollution control.

Moreover, I think that efforts to control vehicles are gonna escalate-- gas prices for one thing--I paid $40.00 to fill up a diesel benz(16 gal)today--can't imagine what one of these huge SUVs must cost. The operating costs of these vehicles are gonna force everybody onto bikes likely.

Got a neighbor just bought two vespa type deals-- pretty comical--but drives em eveywhere..claims its fun too. Prolly ought to buy Harley stock. People gonna be fightin over SUVs, big cars, trucks--gonna be a big social issue. Whose usin up the fuel and escalatin price. Gonna eventually be strict legislation. Best to buy those vintage bikes now. Hope we don't reach the point where John and Peg gotta outlaw truck discussions as too argumentative. grin grin grin


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How about the new "law" that allows law enforment agencies to impound and crush vehicles caught in the act of road racing.. one of the first cars crushed was "an old Camaro".


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Here is BC Canada, I am certain that when you register a "kit car" or "replica", you are allowed to register it as the year of vehicle it represents. I do have one freind with a fiberglass 34 ford that is insured as a 34 Ford, he was very clear with our government owned insurer that the vehicle was completely scratch built from new parts, no parts of an original car are included.

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Guns drawn and flak jackets and jack boots are standard dress today for cops.....For their own protection, of course. eek

California is managing to wipe out one of the very industries that made them world famous. I can't imagine why anyone would want to live in such a regulated place.

Street rodders that buy from guys like Coddington are rather well off....let's see what happens once they react to this nonsense and start making phone calls.


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It's not an attempt to evade pollution controls, I believe...If a guy like Coddington were to build say, five identical fiberglass street rod '32 FFords from the ground up. I don't know what the 'gubmint uses as a number for a builder of complete, turn-key cars to be considered a "manufacturer" ala GM, but build past that number, he'd have to put not only pollution controls on the car, but DOT-style bumpers, door beams, meet rollover and other crash tests, 2004-spec glass, air bags, and so forth. Whatmore, if an individual builds a car himself from scratch or parts (a rod), it only has to meet besic safety specs, and that's where the NSRA has done a great job of doing there own inspections, which are much more strict than most state inspections, and in fact, can be used in lieu of an official state safety inspection, in some states.

It's been proven by SEMA and other organizations that old cars, street rods. and customs as a whole are better-built, drive better, burn cleaner, and are driven fewer miles than modern cars. Their impact on air quality overall is infitesimal, yet the governments demonize these very same cars as a danger to our health (you know, it's "for the children"!) and safety of the driving public. Insanity has prevailed! Our environment is far cleaner now than any time since around 1880, with more trees (total acreage) in North America today than when our nation was founded 228 years ago, as an example.

It is so very vital that ALL of us get involved in local and State government! Talk to your representatives. Call them, visit them, send a letter or an e-mail. Know WHO represents YOU! If they aren't doing the job you feel they should, elect someone else! If no one runs you like, run yourself the next election! I've run for school board once (got defeated by 2-1, but I just posted signs and didn't go door-knocking! Should have!), and may run for city council if my current councilman gets elected to higher office. Change can be effected from the outside, but it may require change from the inside, as well! (Notice this is non-partisan and I'm not advocating a vote for or against anybody here!)

Get involved!!! You want to keep your property, your money, and your freedoms, you must get involved somehow!!!

Rant mode off. Thanks for your consideration.


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Stinking Police State!!
Couldn't pay me to live out there, just too many people.

This kinda stuff has me so upset I'll save you guys the vent..
We're all just darn Dirty Hot Rodders..
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Our environment is far cleaner now than any time since around 1880, with more trees (total acreage) in North America today than when our nation was founded 228 years ago, as an example.
Hey Patrick, Do you have a reference or stats to back up that tree part? I thought we were something like 95% forest from the Mississippi to the Atlantic. We certainly are not that now! Not arguing, just interested to know.


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I can back the tree thing up... my wife has had me plant over 100 trees the past 7 years.... all in about 2 acres of land


Another quality post.
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