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"The biggest unknowns for me right now are dealing with the torque tube so that it doesn't crush me... "

Mike,

To keep the torque tube from crushing you:

- place wheel chocks on both sides of the front wheels (2x4s would be OK)
- jack up the rear of the truck and put jack stands under the sides of rear axle housing
- disconnect the u-joint cover and slide backwards as far as possible (after cleaning outer torque tube until it shines)
- place a floor jack under the torque tube with a floor jack about 2 feet behind the u-joint
- raise the jack to support the torque tube
- disconnect the u-joint assembly, remove the joint, slide (gently hammer) the rear yoke as far rearward as possible
- you should now be able to jack up the torque-tube so the forward end is above the bottom of the frame rail
- cut a piece of 2x4 so that you can place it inside the frame rail side-to-side
- push the 2x4 rearward to hold the torque-tube securely up and out of your way
- place wheel chocks on both side of the rear wheels (2x4s would be OK)
- the transmission (3-speed or 4-speed) can now be easily removed/installed
- you can now safely work under the truck/drive-train

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Torque tube was fairly easy. Think of a drive shaft inside a tube! Here is how I did it.
1. Put floor jack under torque tube to hold in place, not much pressure.
2. Empty transmission fluid
3. Loosen collar on Torque tube (1 foot behind transmission)
4. Loosen trans mount (4 bolts - 1/2 or 9/16 inch wrench) and 4 bolts where the TT meets back of transmission (4x 1/2 wrench bolts)
5. Slide apart the round ball TT part from trans (u joint can be seen once apart)
6. 4 bolts holding u joint in place (3/8” wrench I think)
7. Secure all bolts (I lost one!)

Transmission is now free from torque tube. You may have to adjust floor tack slightly to take pressure off of bolts. Putting it back in is pretty easy as long as transmission is in neutral! Buy new transmission gasket for TT-transmission joint ( $10?)Took 2 of us 30 mins to pull it and 4 of us 20 mins to put new one in.

Hope that helps,

Chris

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And I got beat again..... you would think I am the red headed step child!

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Tim/Chris,

Thanks for the information to keep me safe! The torque tube being like a spring loaded lever was mentioned to me a while ago and kinda freaked me out. I really don't want my hobby to be my undoing!

Chris,

Which gasket are you referring to?


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There is a gasket that goes between the torque tube and trans. I think I paid $12 for the set of gaskets. Might as well replace them. Something like the link below. You can find them cheaper.
http://www.classicpartsusa.com/prod...tbJbDtUHmmRaSpWDUk8kLf0Gd0xoCFncQAvD_BwE

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Mike,

The torque tube is NOT under spring tension. The leaf spring perches clamp around the rear axle housing and are free to spin/pivot as the rear moves up and down driving down the road. When you unbolt the ball joint at the transmission the only weight you'll have is the weight of the tube, maybe 20 pounds or less.

If you need to unbolt the rear from the springs to slide it back for any reason, leave the tires on it and raise the frame up and just roll the rear back free of the body/frame. Again all your're holding up off the floor is the front of the tube.

Mike B smile


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Nice write-up, Chris - your description will be useful - this is complicated for a new person to understand (until they have done it correctly, once).

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I prefer the KISS meathod (keep it simple stupid). You guys are smart and rattle off all kinds of things while I keep trying to find that darn blinker fluid. I can say that I have learned a lot by watching, listening, and doing it all wrong (more than once).

I am working on a valve adjustment that I completely screwed up! (Tried to follow the posts, epic fail!) Time for some assistance and a little listening to smart people. After that, back on the road!

Chris

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As some of you have seen, she’s alive and has a heartbeat! Now to get the front end back together!

Chris

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Arrived at Chris’ place yesterday afternoon, remove the valve cover and determined his engine was at #6 TDC. Chris gets ready to climb under his truck to spin the flywheel. I stop him and explain that wherever the rotor is currently pointing should go to to plug #6.

We then continue the clockwise firing order 1-5-3-6-2-4 and here is what happened next:

Fire!


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Nice job guys! Encouraging to see progress being made in this frigid weather!


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Chris,

Congratulations! I don't know how you guys did that in the cold! Everything looks great on your truck!


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Nice job!


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Mike,

We used the garage to block any wind and then the sun was still shining! Wasn't too bad. The truck actually start right up as soon as we put the plug wires onto it. I think we were only outside for 30 minutes and that included sweet's timing by listening.

Chris

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Chris, congrats. Couldn't have had a better helper. Just think cruising weather is only about 80 days away!

......that color on your truck sure looks familiar. (is it Bizen Sunset Orange?) ....maybe we had this same chat a while back??


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Actually.... my painter screwed up! It was supposed to be sunburst orange (new GM color). He originally didn’t shake the can enough and color came out wrong! Needless to say, painter was fired (numerous reasons) and I kept the color!

Chris

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Got it Chris. The sunset orange is what is on my panel and danged if yours don't look like its cousin..... my color is from a Mitsibushi Eclipse 2006. Similar colors for sure. Looks nice on your pickup......but don't tell the painter I said that. LOL


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Chris,
I’m glad glad to hear that after all you been through that ( ITS ALIVE ). Congrats!
Best and Happy New Year!,
Jim


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Putting a plug into the temp sensor hole on the 216 as a temporary fix until I get a new gauge. I would be on the road if it wasn't going to rain and be so cold. I guess that means that I can do all my checks and install windshield wiper motor while it is cold outside. See you all on the road very soon!

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Engine is now running! No observed leaks! Sounds good, too bad weather will get bad tomorrow. Only need a valve adjustment and a few other minor things. See you all on the road soon!

Chris

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Congrats Chris! Just returned from a road test myself. I look forward to having you in the line up!


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John, it would be an honor to bring up the rear with the slower guys running 216s. Hopefully we can get the new rearend put in prior to homecoming! Glad you are back on the road!

Chris


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Looks and sounds great. I even watched it twice.


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in what years must the engine be painted gray?


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Originally Posted by BoToepfer
in what years must the engine be painted gray?
Must? That is up to you.

Chevrolet of GMC engine?
What size/year engine?
Car or truck engine?

Here is an old listing of 1912-1966 Chevrolet engine colors.
Shades of grays, blues, yellows, greens, etc - no one will ever know.
No one has ever posted factory color codes (from GM documents).

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I painted it gray due to the ease of using a paint brush. I would love it to be the color of the original engine I had in there, but this was easier. right or not, I just want to drive it and have a clean engine.

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Bo,

1929 thur 1962 216/235 Trucks were Gray.

1929 thur 1953 Cars were Gray (1953 235 with Powerglide was Blue) and 1954 and up all 235 Cars were Blue.

1954 thru 1962 261 could be Green or Yellow.

1955/56 265 Trucks could be Yellow or Gray (depending on options).

1955/56 265 Cars were Red and the 1957 Cars were Chartreuse.

1957 and up 283 Trucks could be Gray, Yellow, Green, Black, Orange (depending on options and year).

So, what engine and year are we talking about...?

Mike B smile


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Coming Soon 3:55 rear in stalled at homecoming

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Can’t wait!

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Whe the president speaks we shall listen

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Sir, yes sir!

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I pulled the oil pan off of Chris's (ndkid275). The engine picture is as found. The other is a picture of everything I found in the oil pan.
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OUCH! That looks like maybe a rod bolt got overtorqued and partially stripped the last time the engine was assembled. Was there any damage to the block?
Jerry


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I guess that explains the wonderful sound that I heard! FYI, I never opened the block when I bought it. I drove about 500 miles with it before attempting to drive to Winchester when she went boom!

Chris

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By the way, it’s funny to see this post as I am completing final assembly of my 261 and installing it in a few weeks!

Chris

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My 261 is almost completed!
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Blah Blah Blah, My 261 is almost completed! Dare to stand out amongst the rest! 235 is the power plant you should want!!
Seriously, It looks good, best of luck with it!
Jim


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When we were younger, mocking someone's engine even in jest, meant a race was imminent.

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Thanks!

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Looks sharp. How did you paint the Chevrolet script in the valve cover?

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