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Just checking to see if anyone has heard of a power steering kit that uses a power steering bracket that fits an inline 235. I have checked with CPP and their kit is for a 350. Does anyone have any ideas on other options to help improve the steering on a 58' apache?

frank -

There is a member of the Stovebolt community that I know of that has built a power steering bracket to install power steering on a 235 engine. His Stovebolt name is either "weldit" or "paulweldit". The bracket he made allowed the steering pump to be mounted below the generator position on a truck with a 235 engine that had an A/C compressor in the generator position and an alternator above the A/C compressor as Patrick's set up allows. I believe the pump belt ran off of the second groove of the A/C pully.

Maybe someone here can supply you with his correct Stovebolt name or an e.mail address.

Joe

graffikrank, the guy that Joe is talking about can build any kind of bracket you need for anything. His name is Paul and his e-mail address is [email protected]. He made me a set of brackets for 6 lug disc brakes on my 53. I then used the parts for a mid 70's 4 wheel drive truck to finish the project.
Hope this helps.
Tom

Once again the power steering question pops up! I've seen a kit offered by CPP that is earmarked for the 55-59 truck but none for a truck that has A/C. I've been following a highly creative guy that has come up with a very simple solution for the box side of the setup. Using the Toyo box and fabricating a single bracket he mounts the substantially smaller Toyo power box in basically the same location as the stock Chevy manual box. This allows you to cut your stock column, add a rag joint and make the connection.
No extended linkage with expensive Jorgenson joints or a box hung out on what appears to be an already stressed part of the frame.

I've used the Toyo boxes on numerous straight axle trucks (the other brand) for all of you who are sensative.....and they function flawlessly.
This builder has chosen to use the Toyo pump but the Saginaw pump works just as well. Check out
his PASSENGER SIDE mount. I'm currently having my new engine drilled in hopes that I can add the pump a bit higher and retain the mechanical fuel pump.

I understand that Buffalo sells a modified 250 cid 2 groove harmonic balancer that has been machined to fit the 235. If anyone has one, I'd really like to get some info on what the new dimensions might be. I really think that putting together a conversion that is reasonably priced and simpler to install would be be a great help to those who want to go that direction.

Check out this guys work.....he's amazing:

http://hotrodders.com/forum/journal...d=2439&page=32perpage=5&reverse=

I have a set of pulleys for a late car 235 that had AC. It has a pulley that bolts onto the front of the harmonic balancer and a pulley that bolts onto the water pump in front of the original pulley. I have had them in the garage for a few years hording them. If you can find a set like that you can just make a simple bracket and mount any old pump you want.

The other way to do it is to get a generator that has a built in power steering pump, but those are expensive.

Hey 4otfloor,

I'll NAME MY NEXT KID AFTER YOU if you'll take a couple pics of that setup and email them to me!!!! I just had a feeling there was some way you could add a pulley to the front. Thought maybe you could use the "puller" holes and make a centering collar that would fit inside the existing balancer to guarantee centering. A longer bolt for the taped crank would sandwich the whole thing together. I'm still planning on a pass side mount so I really wouldn't need to go over the waterpump. Thanks in advance!

Hello, first let me say Thanks to Joe and Tom for the mention of the Brackets I make. The PS pump bracket 6cylindersoverTexas was refering to,mounts a GM Caviler style PS pump below the alternator. It drives off of a turned down 2 groove Balancer from a late 292 Chevy "6". The said bracket works Flawlessly but is some what Hectic to construct so I am currently developing a new bracket that is more simple to construct. I should have this available by the end of the month. As Tom mentioned I also have a set of Dics Brake brackets available that allow you to retain your 6-hole hubs and bolt Pattern without any tie rod or steering link modifications.
Thanks, Paul

Hey Paul,

I've been trying to figure out if the 250/292 machined Harmonic balancer is going to interfer with the fan on a stock 235 setup? I'm currently running a 15" flex fan which needed a little tweaking to clear the stock 1 groove balancer. I'd like to end up with a 508 a/c compressor, alternator, and the Caviler p/s pump.

I'm having a little trouble visualizing the setup and sure would appreciate a pic if any are available. Thanks in advance.

I don't recall a problem with Fan clearance, but I am thinking that a thin Spacer behind the fan would cure the problem. I will see if I can get some pictures scanned in of one of the set-ups I have done. The pulley set-ups that 4inthe Floor has were very common in the 60's as we were installing them on A/C conversions. My uncle Owned a company that manufactured those and plastic parts for under-dash A/C. Unfortuantly all the tooling is gone and I wanted to use a set-up like that on my 50'Chevy,so I will probably be building some of the lower pulleys very shortly.
By the way thats a nice looking 54'. I drove a 54' for more than 10 years and I guess I'll aways miss it.

Another thought just came to mind. I am thinking the interfereance you had with the stock balancer is due to it's size. I don't recall the dimensions right now but I believe the 292 Balancer is maybe 1" or so smaller in diameter.I am not at my shop right now but I will check that out Monday.

Check the pictures of my PS pump mounted above my generator with a simple bracket.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1484182686080251109emAXqy
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1484181889080251109UpSqhH
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1484204939080251109JjURFe

Grigg

Now that's a cool bracket. However, I'm running an alternator, which I hope to run on top of an a/c compressor. I'd like to use the pass side of the block to mount my pump. I've posted above, the website for a guy that has his pump mounted on the pass side but to get his belt geometry worked out he had to mount it low and wound up notching his frame. I'd really rather not start hacking.....check out his pic on the "hotrodders site I linked above. I'm hoping that somebody has done or even seen one that takes into consideration all the pitfalls.

I was looking at the parts book for 55-60 2 ton and bigger trucks last night. They have factory brackets to mount and air compressor above the generator and a double grove crank and water pump pulley. If you could find one of those setups it might help.

I'm not doing power steering, but would like to add A/C but low and to the passenger side. If anyone has ideas there I sure would appreciate your comments. My second preference is to mount it below the alternator which I have instead of the generator. Oh, and this is a '40 with a 235.

Classic parts has the Sankyo A/C and alternator mounts in their calalog for a later model truck with a 235. On page 73 @ $100-$110. Think Patricks also sells a set but they are real bulky looking. The Classic parts alt bracket sandwiches between the thermostat housing while the A/C pump mounts about the same location as the generator/alternator bracket. Their picture doesn't specify if they will or won't work with Fentons.

If you're not going to need a pwr steering pump that might be your answer. The a/c pump runs off the Harmonic balancer 1 groove pulley and the alternator is driven of the 2 groove in the a/c pump. You might have to make some mods to make it fit your 40....can't speak to that but maybe somebody will toss in some info. Hope this helps.

Check your email, FLA54, I finally got around to sending you a pic. Sorry it took me so long. You have to use a car balancer on this set.

Hey,
I’m new here and have been lurking for a while.

I have a 63 C-10 fleetside, my DD and a rusty ugly puppy of a truck., which I love.

I also have a 72 burb that is pretty but weak. I’m going to start a rebuild on the burb’s 292 inline six.

A friend of mine rebuilt the 250 in the 63. While I helped, I’m not a professional mechanic. So I’m hoping the 292 rebuild is going to be an adventure rather than a nightmare.

I’m trying to get my ducks in a row before I tear into the burb. I want to add A/C, HEI distributor and power steering to the burb.

I got the power steering pump and a bracket that holds the alternator up high and the pump runs off of the alternator, rebuilt steering box. I’m still missing the pitman arm and the other steering components. I have the part numbers but no money. Those items will come as money permits.

I got the correct A/C bracket but that is it.

I have not gotten the HEI yet.

I was hoping to get a little guidance with the following:

When looking at the front of the engine there is space for one more belt. I can’t find a good write up of the 292 for me to figure out if I can just add the compressor and throw a belt on the pulley or do I have to choose between power steering and A/C. Any thoughts?

I know that the stock distributor will allow the condenser to be mounted right above the distributor. (I got pictures of that) I’m pretty sure that a HEI distributor will not fit unless I can find one with a remote coil. I thought I saw one that may work a few months ago but alas I didn’t book mark the page. I would like to get a new one because of the reliability issues with using a 30 year old part. Any thoughts?

I’m really needing to add A/C because it does get hot here in central Illinois.
Thanks in Advance
Joe

I do have some pictures if any one is interested.

power steering? gee never thought about that one.. I may need to replace my poor man's steering unit.been driving the truck over 9 yrs and never thought about it till................I needed to park in a real tight place,,makes the old mans muscle pop out..

let us know how you make out?

Joker either we are getting older or parking spots are getting smaller. Hum must be them little imports.