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No....not from my "big old wife", but the impeller from the output shaft.
I picked up this Dayton-Teel centrifugal pump for next to nothing at a
garage sale. Talked to one of our Stovebolt buddies, "Welder Dave", who
worked at a Grainger outlet back in the day and he said they sold a ton
of these little units. This one looked like it had never been used. I suspect
that the owner bought it as a backup in case his basement flooded.
I flushed the fuel tank, checked the oil (clean like new) and put some fresh
petrol in and it fired right up on the first pull. It ran fine for about 1 minute
then just stopped dead and won't turn over.
So I figured the pump froze up on me but......now that the pump is off I find
it's the engine that's locked up. Next step is to pull the side cover and see why
the crank/rod or piston locked up on me.
However....I can't get the side cover off till I get the impeller off the output shaft.
And it won't budge and there are no outward signs of a bolt or key of any sort.
I don't want to force anything because there are no longer any parts for this.
Besides....a $10 garage sale 2hp B&S Teel pump isn't worth putting a lot of
money into replacing a hard to find if not impossible probably expensive part.
So I'm throwing this out in the hopes that there may be one of you
farmers/contractor/small engine repair guy or just a back yard mechanics who
may have a clue as to how these come apart. HELP a'fore I ruin a nice little
pump and motor.
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

I studied every word of your post, and discovered that you have answered your own question, so I eliminated the extraneous verbiage, distilling it down to your answer. Because I care.
Carl
Your pal

"so I eliminated the extraneous verbiage"

Thanks, but, no thanks, Carl

I always had time to study Denny's verbiage before I retired, because I always learned something.
Now that I am retired, I'll read Denny's verbiage because I have the time.

I like Denny's verbiage as much as I like your joking/stabbing and incisiveness.

Back on topic.........

Denny , could you post a couple of photo's of the shaft / impeller? It might help us help you on the diagnosis ?

Duh!!!!!! All that typing and I forgot the photo Dusty........
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/167741295
Sorry bout that guys.

And Carl......"Don't throw nothin' away.....give it to Graham."
That's the philosophy I try to follow so....throwin' this out is an absolute last resort.
dg

Denny, those engines usually have a straight output shaft with a keyway milled into it. Chances are the pump just slides over the engine shaft and it's stuck/rusted in place. Try driving a couple of thin chisels or cheap flat tip screwdrivers between the crankcase cover and the pump housing after applying a little persuasion with a Victor Hot Wrench to the center of the impeller. Is there a pipe plug or other opening that might give you access to the coupling? Maybe there's a set screw that bears down on the drive key.
Jerry

Nope, that was one option that I considered because all of the Honda
and Clone engines that we're using on the Cyclekarts are keyed as are
most utility small engines.
The other option that I thought might be that the shaft was threaded with a right hand
thread and the impeller was threaded onto that. And.....that's exactly what it was.
I used a strap wrench on the impeller and blocked up the flywheel and it spun right off.
The engine turns over but is very stiff, think it might be the rod. I'm draining it while I
take a break to mow the lawn, you know how much lawn I've got to mow right? Dang
stuff is growin' so fast even cutting it every 4 days I've got enough to rake and bale
each time.
Movin' on to the next challenge.
tks
DG

I poke the bear only because I am a bear of the same colour (a little Commonwealth English for your entertainment).
I can't throw anything away either.
Carl

Don't sweat it Carl....you're one bear I don't mine getting poked by,
keeps me from going into hibernation.
Got the whole gang on Sweetie Face's side, all ten of them, comin' up
from NC for the holiday, Which means I'm not gonna get anything done
round here till they all head for the hills next Sunday.
Besides.....temps are lookin' like they're gonna be close to triple digits,
for a while and the T/H heat index is gonna be in the teens so.......taint
gonna be much gettin' done in the barn for a while.
Don't know how ya'll down there in the tropics can stand this sort of heat
most of the year. At least up here we get a break by the end of August.
Well, the pots a boilin' so I'm pourin' a cup and heading out to the sweat box
before the sun comes up. If that little B&S got drained over night maybe I
can get the side cover off and find out what the problem is.
Happy 4th. to all.....and don't blow a finger off or shoot a neighbor
celebrating tomorrow.
Denny G
Sandwich, IL

What is it about Illinois that it can be the hottest and coldest place on Earth? How many other places have that many days below zero and some over 100?
Tool. (topic saving word.)

Carl

Glad you're staying on topic Carl, you know how we old timers minds tend to drift.
Well...one of me Stovebolt buddies stopped by yesterday afternoon and suggested
I pour a shot of Kickapoo Joy Juice down the cylinder before I tore it apart and see
if that loosened things up. That I did, a little Marvel Mystery Oil and pulled it thru a
few times and she loosened up right away. Fired it up and ran it for about 15 minuets.
Glad I tried that, seems to run just fine now. Normally having an engine seize up like
that that would bother me but again, this was only a $10 special. I suppose if I pulled
the piston I'd find some nice score marks on the skirt. But this little old B&S will probably
still be running long after I'm gone.
So.....end of story, thanks Bruce, took your advice and it paid off this time and I've now
got another tool to find a spot for in this over crowded shop of mine.
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

Hey, I just got back to check on your post, Glad you figured that one out, now we know too. So now to fix that grass problem... goats, yep that would do it.

Love them little critters, down right friendly little fellers....but.....given the choice
of scopin' up the grass clippings vs the other.....think I'll stick with the grass rake.

Oh...and one last entry about that "antique" B&S L-head engine. Although the engine
looked, and even runs like new, the kidney shaped foam air filter had turned to a sticky
mass of yellow/black jelly. A couple hours of driving around to a dozen HDW stores
and small engine shops and I finally gave up and began scouring the internet. Same
conclusion, no replacement parts found for vintage B&S engines. Lots of foam filters
for the new ones from eight to twelve bucks which I though about buying big and cutting
down.
Then...I recalled the last time I scrubbed down the tars on Old Blue, I went searching for
that big open cell foam sponge and....of course, it too, like so many things around Shangri la,
was in hiding somewhere. Back to Walmart's auto section and I grabbed a couple $1.69 3" thick
sponges in green and orange. Traced out the pattern, sliced them up on the band saw and cut
the intake hole with a hole saw in the Delta Drill Press and voila....a perfect replacement air filter
for under two bucks.
DG