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I’m restoring a classic Delta woodworking lathe which only had a bed and head stock with it
when I found it. I’ve been piecing it together with original parts when I can find them, but
most often when I do find them the prices are thru the roof that I can’t afford them. So….as
I often have to do with the Stovebolt, I fabricate.
I’m adding the full capability that was offered by the 16 speed option. That was
accomplished by driving thru a counter shaft with four step pulleys.So I’m “fabricating” a
countershaft. I can make everything except the four step pulleys and the only ones that I
could find that had the correct bore and step diameters are made by Chicago Die Casting
in Franklin Park, IL. They do not sell direct so I had to buy it thru a stocking dealer and the
only dealer that stocked them was Wholesale Tool Industrial Machinery & Tool Supply out
of Warren, MI.
Now, we’ve seen some pretty shabby workmanship coming out of the east and we’re
always complaining about not being able to buy American made products……well…..
let me tell you, this American made pulley ranks among the poorest quality die casting, with
the worst excuse for machine work and shows a total lack of quality control and I’ve been
using fractional horse power pulleys for more than half a century. I find it hard to believe
that any manufacturer would even consider offering this for sale to the public.
The casting is full of voids, and is so thin that where the “single” set screw is located it is
breaking thru the side. Further more, locating it on the key where the material is already thin
shows the lack of engineering in the design and production. The casting was apparently so
bad, that they had to machine all of the surfaces, which was never done in the past on die
cast pulleys, and I do mean all of the surfaces. And all of the surfaces that were machined
show bad chatter,, they have sharp edges everywhere and are loaded with burrs. The
V-belt groove looks so rough I’m afraid it will tear up the V-belts and the webs between the
groves is too thin. Without exaggerating, a kid attempting his first machining project could
have done a better job.
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/delta_1460_wood_lathe

So, I’m ashamed to say that this part was made in America.
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

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1. What did the part cost, Denny?

Suppose that you had a decent casting to start with.

2. How much time would the machinist take to machine/finish the piece?

3. How much does a good machinist get paid per hour?

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It definitely doesn't look like a job the machinist would be proud of.

Are you sure it was made here in the USA? Just because the address on the box is US doesn't mean it was built here.

Examples: HF's Chicago Electric, Pittsburgh tools, etc. I have a valve on the coolant filter on my SuperDuty - American Valve brand (made in China, of course.)


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With the shipping, $44 Tim.

Chicago Die Casting is right on the outskirts of the city.
"We are a supplier to the Hardware Industry, Mill Supply
and OEM."
Family business since 1918. Made in the USA.
That's what they do, i.e., make die castings. It's only about
an hour away, I'm temped to take this piece of crap in there
and actually talk to a real person to see what their excuse is.
In fact......think I'll make that my project for this morning
since I haven't heard back from the emails I sent complaining.
dg

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That's how you do it Denny. Face to face. Bet you get real good customer service from them today.


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Reminds me of the movie "Mr. MOM". He takes the car for a ride and it falls apart after about 3 feet. Then he gets out and says "What a ride".

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Can't wait to hear what he finds out from them.


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Well.....here's what I found out from one of the owners, who
was quite cordial in spite of the nasty email I'd sent to them.
The don't make that pulley anymore, the die was made by his
grandfather who started the business and he only sold a half
dozen of those a year. He couldn't tell me what happened to
that pulley between his factory/the dealer/ and me. Not really
clear if the die is worn out and they tried to machine it or
if someone tried to machine it and reboxed it. He didn't want
to go look for another one in his inventory.
The best he could do is give me the next closest four step
pulley, but he gave me two to try and console me. The pulleys
he gave me are a full inch smaller on the smallest groove and
a half inch smaller on the largest groove. Guess I'll just
have to settle for what I can get.

dg


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Might it be worth a shot to place a want add on one or more of the antique tool websites?


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These parts do show up once in a while but they're worth more than gold now days.

dg


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