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Well guys I knew i wouldnt be happy with 45-50mph .. i was given a free dana 61 axle but knew i wanted to run the old style rims so i decided to dive in and custom build a rear axle... figured some of you guys might be interested so heres how i did it...


i blocked the rear end up so i could swing a pipe cutter around it... i used the pipe cutter to go in about a quarter of an inch... this gave me a good line for the saws all
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0944.jpg

I cut both ends off
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0947.jpg
the cuts came out extremely straight.. although this turned out to not be that important

next i did the same to the donor axle.. it came from a F350 tow truck.. i know ford... thats some sort of sin right?
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0964.jpg

took the ends to work i have access to lots of good equipment.. but you could job this step out
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0970.jpg
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0971.jpg

so now that i turned down the ends they will fit right into the dana axle

http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0974.jpg

i drilled some holes in the tubes for a little extra weld

http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0979.jpg

then made sure it was all straight and welded it up
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo291/mack1416/IMG_0982.jpg

i planned the width of my axle so that original dana axles would be the right width.. its just a hair narrower than stock...

what do you guys think... ? It wasnt as hard to do as i origonally had thought it would be.. but we will see.. i wont know how well it all works out for a while...

Next on the agenda.. front disk break conversion...

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Very Good Work !


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That looks very good to me too. I have replaced wheel ends on larger trucks without removing the axle housing by cutting out the damage wheel end and fitting a good used wheel end and aligning it by removing the third member and inserting axle shafts on both sides and aligning the wheel end by seeing that both axle shafts met in the middle and welding her up. Probably not near as accurate as your method, but it was the best we could do without a lathe big enough to swing an axle housing. And 30 or 40 years we did the best we could.

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Great writeup and pictures, thanks!

I've seen a couple folks do about the same thing you just did, works out well as far as I know.

What did you do for axle shafts? You need the old flange end at the wheel hub, and the new splines in the center. Did new ones fit the old hubs without modification?

What do you have planed for front disc brakes?

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good work man. VERY interested to see how this pans out.. thumbs_up

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Originally Posted by crenwelge
Probably not near as accurate as your method, but it was the best we could do without a lathe big enough to swing an axle housing. And 30 or 40 years we did the best we could.


I only decided to turn down the old axle after cutting it off and seeing how thick it was, i would be lying if i expected it to be that thick... i had originally planned on just beveling them both and welding them up with a sleve on the inside.. which sounds like would have worked fine..

Originally Posted by Grigg
Great writeup and pictures, thanks!

I've seen a couple folks do about the same thing you just did, works out well as far as I know.

What did you do for axle shafts? You need the old flange end at the wheel hub, and the new splines in the center. Did new ones fit the old hubs without modification?

What do you have planed for front disc brakes?

Grigg


the axles from the dana worked with a slight modification.. all i had to do was take a carbide bit and open the holes inward about .025 the bolt circles were about .050 difference just enough so the bolts wouldn't go in

as far as the front disk conversion goes.. im throwing some ideas around in my head... unfortunately i dont know if i will get to it this year.. my truck has to go to storage for the winter soon..

Thanks everyone for the positive feedback

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Looks great! Thought about doing the same thing when I worked for American Axle and had the use of the equipment there. But since i cant, I stand in awe of your work. Awsome!!!!!


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Originally Posted by CORPO
...as far as the front disk conversion goes.. im throwing some ideas around in my head...
Here's one of several approaches to for front disc brakes I've seen, and still my favorite/preferred method for these trucks.
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/bigbolts/p30swap/

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Hey I found my way into your photobucket and looked at the entire project. That looks like a fun project!


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Originally Posted by Grigg
Originally Posted by CORPO
...as far as the front disk conversion goes.. im throwing some ideas around in my head...
Here's one of several approaches to for front disc brakes I've seen, and still my favorite/preferred method for these trucks.
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/bigbolts/p30swap/
Grigg


Yeah i have read your article.. and looked into one of those trucks.. cheapest i could find was 2,000 which doesnt go well with my virtually zero budget... not to mention i think my parrents and neighbors would freak out if i brought home another big truck...

so i will tackle it on my low budget approach...


Originally Posted by OldSub
Hey I found my way into your photobucket and looked at the entire project. That looks like a fun project!


Sneaky man... Hope you liked it... i haven't posted it here.. didn't know how well it would be received on a more restoration type forum

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That's a neat project, definately not too many big bolts that have been done up like that. It's not so much about restoring them as it is giving them new life and a chance to keep on the road for many years to come.
You'll probably get on around here a LOT better than I did on the HAMB with my Volksrod,... Yeesh!


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Originally Posted by Freq2002
That's a neat project, definately not too many big bolts that have been done up like that. It's not so much about restoring them as it is giving them new life and a chance to keep on the road for many years to come.
You'll probably get on around here a LOT better than I did on the HAMB with my Volksrod,... Yeesh!


Thanks man, i wanted to do something different. I have never been a registered member at the hamb.. i have read a couple of builds that were sent to me by other people.. and i just can not stand how they talk to each other over there. It doesnt seem to matter how good of a job some one is doing, people will find a reason to hate on it..

I say as long as its safe, build it how you want!

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i just can not stand how they talk to each other over there. It doesnt seem to matter how good of a job some one is doing, people will find a reason to hate on it..

Ya gotta have some thick skin over there at times.
But hey just consider the source & not everyone over there is like that wave

And I don't care what anyone says I'm diggin your ride, you should really post your link to the pics....Joe

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Exactly why I quit using the site also. Here your truly welcome.


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When I first mentioned my first bolt idea over there of z-cutting the original chassis of the cabover and adding tandam axles, the response was the same but it seems at that time the past time was to insult any and all. More insult than tech. Enjoy the stovebolt.


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Originally Posted by ZooKeeper
Ya gotta have some thick skin over there at times.
But hey just consider the source & not everyone over there is like that wave

And I don't care what anyone says I'm diggin your ride, you should really post your link to the pics....Joe


no one has actually hated on it yet, if they have hated on it they havent said anything to me.. but im pretty sure it wouldnt go over well on the hamb

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When I first mentioned my first bolt idea over there of z-cutting the original chassis of the cabover and adding tandam axles, the response was the same but it seems at that time the past time was to insult any and all. More insult than tech. Enjoy the stovebolt.


Well its good to know you guys are open minded to new ideas

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As a group we're pretty friendly, but don't be surprised or offended if someone doesn't like it, just ignore them and keep posting cause some of us want more!

I like the HAMB but am selective what I post there. I avoid mention of my Corvette or my wife's VW. My trucks don't seem to excite anyone either way.


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Originally Posted by OldSub
As a group we're pretty friendly, but don't be surprised or offended if someone doesn't like it, just ignore them and keep posting cause some of us want more!
I'll second that,
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That is some really great work! cool thumbs_up


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Yeah, I got in on some conversation about "those durned crazy VW guys and thier "Volksrods"". ALong with the typical ignorants goin on about the Hitler wagons and supporting Nazism, etc., there's just a general hate of anything not made on our shores. I get that, but some folks, like me, put real work into hand building our cars from the ground up. Not bolt on rigs or fancy shop built, but real life back yard hot rodding like it's supposed to be.
I held a short lesson on the real story behind the make (shut a few of em up), had my say, and after finding the Bolt, never went back. I know there's good folks on the HAMB, but the average treatment here is much better. Has a lot to do with our gracious management and mods I'm sure, but still. wink

Keep us updated on your build, I like what I see and you did some great work on the frame mods. More solid work than I see on some rigs!


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Keep posting on your project, everyone looks through a different window but we all like to look out our windows.
The HAMB is a interesting place to say the least, but I will say if you need non Stovebolt help its a good place to get it...esp when you have a flathead f**d thats giving you grief.

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Awsome Idea,
It just goes to show, anything can be done if you put your mind to it.
Nice Job!

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thanks man, hopefully the front disk conversion goes as well

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Bump.. BTTT


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