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Just for grins and giggles, when you cut off the switch to oh lets say a light. Is the electricity still at the switch or is it waiting at the battery for you to turn on the lamp again? And how do you prove that? My thought is that it waits in the battery untill given a path to follow but I don't know how to prove that. If you hook up a test lamp or volt meter you give it a path.
Huuuummmmmm???????

Toyvo,

Your drinking again aren't you! I thought I told you to stay out of the Ripple.

If you visualize a ride at Disneyland where the line if very long. When the first person in line goes through the turn-stile, he is replaced by another person at the end of the line.

It just keeps happening this way..pop,pop,pop. One person (electron)out, another person (electron) in. The line is the wire full of electrons (people).

If you lick your fingers and stick them in the wall socket, start counting, and when you feel the electricity, that is how many seconds it took for the power to come from the generating station in Dallas to Nacogdoches and fill up the wires.

If you don't have to count "very much", it means the little electrons were just inside the socket waiting to 'git you'. This should prove the wire is full, ready and waiting shouldn't it.


Stuart

The "pressure" is at the point of the switch. It's waiting for somewhere to go, and when you close the switch it goes to the light. Imagine an automatic sprinkler valve--the high side is pressurized, and then the solenoid is activated the valve opens and the water can flow through.

Any other analogies out there?

It's sitting right there in the switch, ready to knock you on your keester.

I prove it by using a mulitimeter or a test light.

But then again, that's just me.

So if the electricity is at the end of the wire then when I unplug the wire from the source is ther electricity in the wire (trapped). uuuh no!!!!
If you use a multimeter or test light you close the circuit and yes the electricity is there.

If i pinch off the hose for the sprinkler the water is still in the hose.
If i cut off the track behind the coaster the people are still in the car.
If i unplug the wire at the battery no electricity is in the wire.

If you go back to the physics of electricity, its the flow of electrons, and there are electrons on both sides of the switch and even in the fingers that will flip the switch.

The switch opens a path for them to move while the battery provides the push to get them moving.

Electrons are kind of like teenage children.

They have lots of potential energy, but nothing happens until they are pushed or motivated. In the old days that motivation was sometimes provided by a switch. These days its common to bribe them with technology or other stuff instead.

Three guesses what my problems are there days...

OldSub,

My guesses:

1. No energy

2. No potential

3. Teenagers at home

Do I win something? I don't want the teens, I have two of my own.


Stuart

It requires flow to have power, and at the end of the wire there is no flow untill you give it a path to follow right? I am right back where I started.
You do realize I realy dont care if the electricty is at the end of the wire or not. And you may be right but how do you prove it?
Its realy like the chicken and the egg who realy cares which one came first as long as I can have an omlett and some buffalo wings.

oh god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!doc

The wire hooked to the battery has the same "amount" of electricity as the battery it is hooked to. It is called potential and in higher voltages it is what kills people.

Its kind of like that light in the fridge. Does it really shut off when the door is closed?...lol

I agree if you touch the end orf the wire you allow the flow of electrons and depending on the voltage/amperage you could get killed touching the end of the wire. But if as you say the electricity is already at the end of the wire and you then cut the wire where it connects to the sourse then you should still have electricty at the end of the wire (maybe not a lot but measurable). If you dont (and you wont) find electricity at the end of the wire then it wasn't there in the first place.
So I still say the electricity stays in the battery untill closed circuit is made.
No the light in my fridge turns off, I put a vidio camara in there to make sure and I have a fiber optic cable attached to the bulb that sticks out of the seal just to make sure. lolololol

Man I'd like to see that video!...lol

The video is a realy good one, It is titled "The mistery is solved" or "What do tomatoes do in the darkness of the fridge." It is what they call a dark movie. Some have labled it "Ketchup runs amuk."

The energy to create electricity is in the battery. When you flip the switch the energy is instantly converted into electricity and is at both the battery and the switch.

So then the electricity is in the battery till we flip the switch? How do we prove that?

First Off
light bulbs are NOT light bulbs
they are DARK SUCKERS:
They suck in all the dark in the room after you turn them on. When they are full they hold the dark inside so you can throw them away. Electric bulbs: There is less dark near the electric bulb than at a distance of 100 feet when it is operating; therefore, it is sucking dark and can be classified as a dark sucker. The larger the dark sucker, the greater the distance it can suck dark. The larger the dark sucker the greater its capacity of dark. The dark sucking capabilities are evident when the dark sucker has reached its capacity and will no longer suck dark. At that point you may notice the dark area on the inside portion of the dark sucker. The larger the dark sucker, the larger the area of dark found within. This type of dark sucker can be made directional by placing a shield around a portion of the unit or behind it. This will prevent dark from entering the dark sucker from that side thereby extending the range of the dark sucker on the unprotected/unshielded side. Dark is faster than light. If you would open a drawer very slowly, you will notice that the light goes into the drawer. (You can see this happen.) You cannot see the dark leave the drawer.

there is LOTS of darkness in the world, hense we need more dark suckers on and the conspiracy of the electric companies and our gov't tell you to turn them off when not in the room.
turn them all on

No really the juice stops at the switch when the switch is turned off.
but
when it is ON and no bulb (dark sucker) screwed in to the socket, the juice is floating around the room. the way to prove this is to stick your finger in that socket when the switch is on and you'll find out ...... fast
so
BE CarefuL

ANOTHER FACT::
DON'T let the factory smoke out of the wires, because you CAN NOT replace it !!!!!!!!!


Ps 110v will kill you
ALWAYS TOUCH WIRES W/ THE BACK OF YOUR HAND
NOT THE INSIDE PALM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your hand muscles will contract and grab the wire and YOU CAN NOT LET GO.
be careful

lolol-lmaorof- now thats funny.

So tell me more about these dark suckers. So if you are using a black lite then those would be white enhansers.

Now I know there a lot of realy smart people in here, someone has a way to prove me wrong. They are just unwilling to do so. I also know a lot of those guys and gals have put thier mouse to work to find the answer. Because really smart people love that sort of thing.

http://home.netcom.com/~rogermw/darksucker.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/5599/dark_sucker_2.html

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE IT!

Flow of electricty

It does not require flow to have power It requires flow to have Electricity.
If i pinch off the hose for the sprinkler the water is still in the hose. Yes, but not running water. you cut off its flow.
If i cut off the track behind the coaster the people are still in the car. Yes, but they are still going , you did not cut off their flow. There is track ahead of them and momentum or gravity forceing them on.
If i unplug the wire at the battery no electricity is in the wire. correct no "electricity" you cut off the flow of electrons, but there are still electrons in the copper atoms of the wire. You see electrons are electrons just like water drops are water drops. If you have a 1 drop open container and you add just 1 more drop, you now have running water. Your sprinkler hose can hold only so many drops of water if you add 1 more drop 1 has to come out the other end. Each copper atom in wire can only hold so many electrons. If you try to add 1 more electron one has to leave the wire. But since none can leave the wire none can enter either. So the extra electron is still at its source, the battery.

Ok so you have to have a sourse before you have electricity. I agree, my question was is there electricity at the end of the wire when there is an open circuit and how do you prove that. The analogy of water in the hose won't work, and I mistakenly put people in the coaster, that was incorrect it should have been people in line to ride the coaster. There are electrons in everything all the time 24/7 and they are moving all the time. It is when all the electrons are moving in the same direction that you have currant (electricity). If not allowed to flow due to an open circuit no electricity is preasant.
Still not proven. This is more like the falling tree in the woods with no one around thing.

Electricity (noun):
1) The physical phenomena arising from the behavior of electrons and protons that is caused by the attraction of particles with opposite charges and the repulsion of particles with the same charge.
2) The physical science of such phenomena.
3) Electric current used or regarded as a source of power.

According to definition #3, there is no "electricity" in your circuit until the switch is closed. Then the current can be measured with an Amp meter. But as long as the switch is wired to power source (i.e. battery) you can measure the "potential" for electricity across your switch with a Volt meter.

A lot of people think of electron flow as electrons moving along a wire freely like cars go down a highway. Actually, it works a little differently. Any conductor (thing that electricity can go through) is made of atoms. Each atom has electrons in it. If you put new electrons in a conductor, they will join atoms, and each atom will spit out an electron to the next atom. This next atom takes in the electron and spits out another one on the other side.

I really don't think it's anything like a tree falling in the forest. It's more like science, not philosophy.

But more importantly, can you tell me why my Amp meter and headlights are pulsing.
:confused: Please see other post.

Thats what I was thinking.

Hummmm? That seemed to finish this post.