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I am working on my 1965 Chevy truck. I just repaired a small hole in the bottom corner of the door. I was amazed at the amount of junk inside the door. The bottom drains were open and working. I cleaned the inside of the door.

What is the best way to help prevent future rust from coming through in the future?

This is going to be a daily driver of sorts and I have no plans on replacing the door skins etc. I just want to give the doors the best shot they have to resist rust. Any advice?


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It depends on if you can get in there to clean the dirt and rust out first. Is the door off and the glass out? you can reach in there most of the way to the bottom if so and then I'd get a couple coats of epoxy primer in there and some self healing seam sealer on top of that.


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I have wondered about that too. I went to the trouble of finding a truck in Arizona and had it shipped to TN just so I wouldn't have to battle rust. I hate rust ( I am originally from Michigan )

I took the doors off when I got the truck and turned them upside down and blew high pressure air at the seams from the inside. There was a lot of dirt in there. I was thinking about pouring some POR 15 inside the door and letting it soak into the seams. Then hitting it with an epoxy primer. I am interested to hear what others have done to protect their door bottoms (and front cowls and cab corners)

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I would agree with the above posts. Getting all the rust out is going to be the real trick. If rust is still there when you coat the inside of the door, I don't think it will last. Rust desolvers that bring it to bare metal first, then using an epoxy primer will give some results. I would even paint the primer.
Cold storage on cement floors is bad too. The cement sweats and holds moisture, allowing it to creep back into your project.

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You guys are on the same mind track as what I was thinking.

The hard part is getting the door clean.

Rustolium sells the rattle can stuff that converts the rust back into something... what is good about this stuff is it is like spray paint... the more you spray, the more runs it creates which can soak into all of the nooks and crannies.

Then find a good epoxy paint or primer... just keep the weep holes from clogging.


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Here's a thread where I did some extensive fabrication to save a 55 wagon tailgate (essentially a door)

http://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53428


Where the outer skin had only a few pinholes showing, once opened up it exposed how extensive the adjacent deep pitting was, and that more "breakthrough" was inevitable. Shown here with only three pin holes to the outside, and much more lurking:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y1...20Restoration%20Album%203/Picture047.jpg


Of course not every situation dictates removing the skin altogether where you would see the extent of such damage. But given the damage we could see, until something like that is exposed and fixed, it is likely that additional rust will follow shortly. I don't think an application of POR over top of issues as those in the above picture will prevent further rust, IMO many of those pits are at a point they would continue to degrade even under the POR. For those iffy areas where you haven't found rust through but suspect damage, I normally check the structural integrity with an ice pick. If the metal will hold the ice pick from going through, it will hold paint. If not, then the pit would have rusted through with a couple years regardless, right through that new paint job.

To help identify lurking pits from the outside, if you sand the panel to bare steel and notice small, darker circles about 1/16 or so in diameter, this is a good spot to check with the ice pick. More often than not, it will go right through the weakened area. But this is the time to find those areas, before the paint goes on.

Looking at the same area of pinholes, notice the dark circles on the outside in the immediate area, then compare the degradation of that same area on the inside.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y1...20Restoration%20Album%202/Picture545.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y1...20Restoration%20Album%203/Picture047.jpg


For future rust prevention in these areas, when installing new skins, my preferred method, as shown in the tailgate thread, is to abrade the inner door and inside of new door skin, then epoxy prime. Once the parts have cured the "mating surfaces" are scuffed and parts assembled/spot welded as needed. Then I'll mix some fresh epoxy and pour inside the door, rotating the door so the paint seals around the perimeter of the seam (as required)

For areas that have not been opened up for skin replacement/rust repair, I'd suggest looking for those dark circles that indicate pits are coming through, and use the ice pick as needed to test structural viability.

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Maybe a little off topic but I was concerned about the front lower cowls, they like to get rusty on the AD trucks. I thought about removing the inner cowl (kick panel) and getting in there real good to clean and coat and then glue the kick panels back on. This seems like a non structural place so glue or even seam sealer should keep them there, any thoughts?

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Mendonjo,
The key thing to consider about cutting out the kick panels is that these cabs are uni-body construction. This means that they are constructed entirely of sheet metal spot-welded together in such a way as to provide for structural integrity. Cutting out the kick panels may well put added pressure on the inner-to-outer cowl and the outer cowl. And since these are at the bottom of the cab, there is a lot of weight bearing down on this area. I wouldn't do it.


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