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#92092 06/12/2005 11:29 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 | I've got a 54 3100 with a 235 that has been converted to 12V..What do I need to do to get rid of the floor starter and install a regular ignition switch on the dash? Looked through my catalogs, but figured someone here would be able to tell me an easy way to do it...Thanks | | |
#92093 06/13/2005 12:35 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | I believe that to go to the 12v starter, you have to change the flywheel along with the starter. If you do a search, you will find some threads on this. | | |
#92094 06/13/2005 1:04 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 | So what year did the 235 get changed to 12V in production? And I did do a search with no results..When they quit the floor starter? | | |
#92095 06/13/2005 1:24 AM | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | 12v trucks started in 55 - the floor starter went till at least 59 - whatsa matter w/ the floor stomp start? coolest feature you got! if you're wanting to change the starter cuz the truck is 12v now, the 6v starter will work fine on 12v
I imagine if all you want to do is change the foot stomp for the v8 style ign sw, you could get a later starter [60+] and bolt it in, change the sw - don't know about the bendix and ring gears, but I'd expect'em to be the same on any full pressure 235 - GM didn't waste money changing design details year to year - might even be able to just swap starter motor cases to get the one that mounts the solenoid
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#92096 06/13/2005 1:38 AM | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | shooper,
Switch to 12v in Chevrolet trucks took place in 1955 2nd series.
It looks like the foot starter was available until 1959. From 1954-1959, the foot starter switch had a side terminal to send 12v to the coil during cranking (lead on 12v systems, the ignition to the coil ran through a ballast resistor).
I do not know if a solenoid driven started was available as an option during those years (or if automatic transmission trucks had a solenoid driven starter as was the case in 1954 6v Hydra-Matic equipped trucks).
I got a dash-mounted ignition switch from Chevy Duty for one of my '54 trucks that has a 1960 12v solenoid-driven starter. The switch is a little loose in the '54's original hole in dash. The part number might have been 53-411. Yes, a 12v solenoid starter must be matched with the appropriate flywheel (I do not know if the teeth were the same on 6v and 12v foot starters/flywheels).
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#92097 06/13/2005 5:55 AM | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,438 Extreme Gabster | | Extreme Gabster Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,438 | For the record 6V and 12V starters have different size drive teeth and they must be used with the appropriate flywheel ring gear. | | |
#92098 06/13/2005 10:28 PM | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | Get a starter from a car with selenoid on top. 49-54 6 volt will work fine. I too like the floor starter. Young people can,t believe it.  They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | |
#92099 06/13/2005 10:38 PM | Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,066 Bolter | | Bolter Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,066 | a young guy at the inspections station said he could start anything when I asked if he needed any help with my 52,,after a few min,, how do you start this thing, the key is on but nothing happens.. Redryder pixMy HotrodA veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of "up to and including my life."I am fighting cancer and I am winning the fight | Pain is part of life; misery is an option. | | |
#92100 06/13/2005 11:02 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 | OK..you twisted my arm..Just got done putting a new boot and pedal pad on my floor starter.. Joker, had about the same experience, but just the opposite, it was with an older guy at a tire place..He asked for my keys to pull it in to the bay, and I asked him if he knew how to start it...Should have seen the look he gave me..We are good friends now..Take care | | |
#92101 06/14/2005 3:03 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 265 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 265 | I thought about changing mine too but decided that the foot starter was kind of cool. It's also a good theft deterant- the only people that could start it would be a fellow bolter or someone over 50 so I think it's pretty safe in the driveway. | | |
#92102 06/14/2005 3:18 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 | I agree, but just kept thinking about hooking two wires together and hitting the foot starter..So, I went out and bought one of those Club things that fastens on the steering wheel..They are gonna have to tow mine if they want it..Take care | | |
#92103 06/14/2005 6:00 AM | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | or if they have a few hand tools, take off the steering wheel and use vise grips to get it on their roll back Bill | | |
#92104 06/14/2005 3:34 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 336 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 336 | I knew an old-timer who lived in LA and had a old oval window bug with a push button starter. He said many of people tried and tried to steal it but no one could ever figure out how to start it.
My 59 has a push button on the dash , but im going to convert it back to the floor. Mainly for security purposes, not to mention the nostalgia. | | |
#92105 06/14/2005 4:08 PM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 399 | Those 50yr old steering wheels don't come off real easy with hand tools, and that old horn sure makes a lot of noise | | |
#92106 06/15/2005 2:38 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 265 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 265 | Be sure to put the club ON the steering wheel. When I was in college, I had a friend who had one and forgot to put it on the night that his car was stolen. They used his club to break out all of his windows. OUCH! | | |
#92107 06/15/2005 2:43 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 265 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 265 | I just thought- wire the horn to the starter with a switch under the dash to turn it off. Hit the starter- blow the horn. In the '70's when people were stealing gas, Dad wired his fuel tank door to the horn and never lost a drop again... but he did scare a few gas station attendents when he "forgot" to turn it off. | | |
#92108 06/16/2005 4:19 AM | | Anonymous Unregistered | | Anonymous Unregistered | haha so true! I couldn't figure out how to start my truck either (I then found out it was seized  ). Definantly a great security deterrant. One of the great features of these trucks we love (kinda like the cowl vent infront of the windsheild  ). AC | | |
#92109 06/17/2005 9:01 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | shooper, here are a couple of search results: http://www.stovebolt.com/bboard/cgi-bin//ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000882#000007
http://www.stovebolt.com/bboard/cgi-bin//ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000757#000007 | | |
#92110 06/19/2005 2:41 PM | Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,838 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,838 | Shooper, I switched over from 6 --> 12 about 3 years ago and I'm still using my original foot starter. Would never consider changing it. It is one of the coolest features of the truck.
Craig My '50 Chevy 3100 5 window, '62-235cu, 3:55 rear My truck ....... Respect The Rust If I'm not working on my truck, '65 m00stang or VW camper, I'm fishing with the wife or smoking Salmon.
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