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#75467 03/26/2007 1:59 AM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 | I figured after I broke out the BFH that I had better stop and ask a couple of questions.
1) Is it possible that the bolts holding the wheel cylinder on are metric? (Maybe swapped out at some time?) ---I cannot find any of my box wrenches that will fit the heads tightly---
2) Can I just take of that whole brake mounting plate to make it easier to get to the back and the cylinder bolts? ---This is where I started with the BFH and the 1 1/8" box wrench to get the top bolt loose, but can't get the bottom two to even start moving---
Anyway, have to take back one of the new cylinders as it was obviously a return and is all dirty inside...gah.
Dave
(Had to edit this as once upon a time it said 'master' instead of 'wheel'.) :rolleyes: 1965 Chevy C-30 1-Ton "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." | | |
#75468 03/27/2007 2:38 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | I am not familiar with your setup but when I am stuck trying to remove a nut, I drill a hole through the side of the nut and then take a chisel to it. | | |
#75469 03/27/2007 2:46 AM | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 | The bolts shouldn't be metric. Dou you have access to a strong impact gun? You might try that before you whack on your box wrench more (my Dad broke a toothe doing thet once fixing a mini-bike).
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#75470 03/27/2007 3:24 AM | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,158 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,158 | Yes, it's possible that they were replaced with metric some time in the past. I don't think it is very likely, though. Especially not in the states.
Mine were rusty as hell, and were a real joy to remove.
Take a wire brush and knock the crap off of them and see what fits. | | |
#75471 03/27/2007 3:41 AM | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | those bolts always corrode from spilling fluid ... possible someone has replaced them, but also possible they're rounded off a bit, maybe cut the heads off and replace them yourself Bill | | |
#75472 03/27/2007 3:59 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 | I'm going with the cut them off option. I think I can just get my Dremel back in there behind that plate to reach the head on the cylinder bolts.
I'd rather not have to take that whole plate off so going to try this first.
(Been rainy now, so had to wait....) 1965 Chevy C-30 1-Ton "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." | | |
#75473 03/27/2007 4:20 PM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,809 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,809 | Pulling the backing plate would be a last-resort situation, and that big anchor bolt will be a major pain to remove, as you've already discovered. Get a set of 6-point sockets, not box-end wrenches, and I'll bet the fit will be a lot better. Soak the bolts with penetrating oil like Kroil, PB blaster, etc, and then whack the head of the bolt with a punch and a big hammer to break the rusty threads loose. If you twist the bolt off in the wheel cylinder, no problem because you're replacing it anyway. You can also heat the head of the bolt with a propane torch and apply penetrating oil while it's hot. Jerry
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#75474 03/27/2007 9:39 PM | Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 132 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 132 | Uh, well I started to answer then realized you said "master cylinder". But the description reads like wheel cylinder work.
If it is wheel cylinder, I strongly suggest a good impact wrench with 6 point impact sockets, seated on the bolt head, with a hammer. before using the gun. | | |
#75475 03/27/2007 10:09 PM | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | That one bolt is way back in there on that model. You may wind up haveing to take off the backing plate. The lower bolts holding it to the spindle could be frozen in pretty tight. That master cyl. thing had me going at first. They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | |
#75476 03/28/2007 2:55 AM | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 482 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 482 | I've been known to try a metric tool on something that seemed off. You never know. The thing about a bolt head is that it could be distorted from rust or a previous mechanic's abuse. And if you're like me with eyes that are getting worse by the minute it doesn't get any easier to see the darn thing. Try cleaning up the bolt, looking at it with good light and some good cheater glasses. Some good suggestions above. I have a special wrench I use in special situations. It's called an oxy/acetaline cutting torch. You could call it a "liquid wrench". Works pretty good but only once per application... As an aside, there are many times when I'd like to just beat my whole truck with a BFH. Since I love my truck, would that be domestic violence? Skip :hammering: | | |
#75477 03/28/2007 2:40 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 | Oh....ooops. Yep, my mistake....wheel cylinder...that is what my head was saying...but fingers didn't..I'll go edit that to avoid confusion. 1965 Chevy C-30 1-Ton "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." | | |
#75478 03/28/2007 2:47 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 | Anyway, update....as Wrenchbender mentioned...these bolts are way back in behind the plate. There is no clearance for a socket of any kind. (Is that the spindle that is in the way?)
So last night was more mideveil(?) violence. (Couldn't even fit the dremel with cutter head back in there.) I put a drill bit in the dremel and cut grooves/holes into the sides of the bolt head. Then got out my small cold forged chisel and beat the bolt at an angle toward the rotation to get the bolt out. This eventually made the bolt start to turn with each hit...then I could grip it with the long nose visegrips and turn it.
Got all four out last night.
They all had that locking washer (with lots of little teeth on them)...is that standard and should I use the same on a replacement? 1965 Chevy C-30 1-Ton "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." | | |
#75479 03/28/2007 8:51 PM | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 482 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 482 | Dave, You're winning a little each day! I'd replace with the same kind of washers. Some of the guys use a small amount of anti-sieze compound on various bolts when reassembling so that it's easier to take apart in the future. Skip | | |
#75480 03/29/2007 2:51 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 172 | Hey Skip....LOVE the dumptruck. Great job on it...problem is that it inspires me to spend more money on mine...lol 1965 Chevy C-30 1-Ton "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." | | |
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