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#70875 12/30/2006 6:55 PM
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Hey guys and gals, Im new to this awesome site and have a ton of questions but ill start with this one. I have a 1951?? GMC 5 window Long bed. I have installed a 235 with a 3 speed tranny. I have had the truck for 10 yrs but just have started the whole project out again. My plans are to cut the chassis and bed to make it a short bed. Also i got my hands on a 2001 Trans Am rear end (complete) which is about 2" shorter than the original. Would you guys think this would be beneficial to the truck. would the brakes be ok if i continue to run the drums up front. i know i have to change out the master cylinder. What do you guys think? All Input is appreciated. (sorry long thread)

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thats a good rearend if you stay under 300 horsepower.it will be fine with a 235.four wheel drums are ok,front discs are better.a dual master cylinder is always a good idea.

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Hey Zenish thank you for your reply. When you mean dual master cylinder you mean one for the front and another for the rear? you see eventually i am going to get disc up front but for now it has to be drums. This is a big project and it can be a little overwhelming !!

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You didn't mention if your TransAm diff was a disc brake unit. I've used several 3rd generation Camaro/Firebird diffs (62")with factory discs on my 54-3100 and they work great. The replacement parts are a bit pricey but the performance, along with front conversion discs and a MANUAL mid-70's Corvette disc/disc master, adjustable proportioning valve and both residual valves is outstanding. If your diff is drum, than IMHO, conversion to front discs would be highly recommended if you plan on driving it in traffic.

I've got some pics of both the disc and drum conversions in my "shoebox" album. I hope this helps.


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Hey Fla54Chevy3100 first off let me say that your truck is definitely in my top 5 that ive seen. Great looking truck! The differential that i have has discs, im just wondering how it will run with the 3 speed that is currently in the engine. You see down the line i plan on getting an LS1 engine and a 6 speed tranny but for now i would like to run the 235 and the 3 speed for a long while. oh yeah you have some great pictures. Eventually i want to get discs on the front but first i need to save some money.

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Thanks, it's been an interesting project. As for the gearing, the disc brake diffs I've run into from the IROC'S/TransAms have been either 3.08 or 3.42. I'm now running a 3.42 which lets me cruise at 1900 rpm with a 29" tire at 65 mph.
Your 3 speed, 1:1 in 3rd gear, and let's say, you were running a 28" tall tire your engine would be turning 2668 at 65mph. If your diff was a 3.08 you'd be turning 2402. I've found that the 235 will lug down to 1000 rpms in my 4th gear (1:1) and have decent pickup with the 3.42. It's happiest between 1800-2500 rpm's but will easily scoot up to 3500 when pushed.

What you've got to do is pull the cover and determine exactly what ratio you've got. Then determine what kind of driving you're going to do. I'm including a link so you can plug in some numbers to determine your ratio/rpm's:

http://www.csgnetwork.com/multirpmcalc.html

If it's a 3.08 with the 28" tire you'd be turning 2402 at 65mph. If you went with a 5 speed behind your 235 you'd be safe with the 3.42. The 3.08 wouldn't work with a .72 5 speed overdrive and the 235. Can't give you any direction with the GM V8or the pricey 6 speeds.

As for the brakes, I first upgraded to a dual drum/drum master cylinder and all new drum system. Performance was marginal in traffic. Front discs made it good, 4 wheel discs make it great! However, the front disc conversion, dual master, bracket (if you have to buy one), residual valves, proportioning valve and all the fittings and lines are expensive. Setting up your system to function properly is NOT a weekend project! Discs on just the rear aren't going to give you much of any improvement without discs on the front. In fact, I don't know exactly how you would plumb them in to keep them from locking up.

I'd suggest you use the "search" feature here on the sight to help you put together a "plan of attack". You might be better served to keep your current diff in place until you can go after the total brake conversion. I hope this helps.


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