The Stovebolt Site Forums The Shop Area Engine Shop Art Deco T5 install some helpful photos

I have uploaded some of my recent pictures which may be helpful for you fellows that are in the process of doing or who are contemplating a T5 transmission swap.

Brian Brians40

Brian,

That saying about a picture is equal to a thousand words is true. I have been considering a T5 for my '41 sometime in the future. Your pictures will be a lot of help. What year and model was the donor vehicle that the T5 came from, and did you also use the differential from the same?

You have a really nice looking truck.

Thanks for posting your pics.

John

Good Pictures Brian. Thank You.

I like the brackets you made but I already went a different route on the MC. I used the brackets and pedals from a Big Bolt and mounted my MC on the frame which gives me a greater pedal ratio.

I like the e-brake bracket. I haven't made one yet so your design may work if my adaptor plate is wide enough

Great work... espeacially on the MC bracket. That is the cleanest install I have seen yet.

John

John,

I got the transmission out of a 1985 or 1986 chev s10 pick-up from the local Pick n'Pull. Tag number is 1352-145 which has a .072 5th gear. I am using the original differential housing,just as a few others have done, but the ring and pinion assembly came out of an early 60's chev 1/2ton. I got the diff from a vendor who supplies new and used parts.
The transmission checked out O.K. I just had to replace the front and rear seal along with the tailshaft housing bushing for piece of mind. Since I am staying with the powerhouse 216,I figured the differential would be able to handle the task. But unfortunately that was not without new bearings and seals. Ouch!

Brian

Brians40

Wow! You did a really good job on the install. I like your master cylinder setup. Did you take it on the road yet? I couldn't believe the difference when I did mine.

Thanks for the compliments.
John S., no I haven't driven it yet as it is still sitting on blocks, as it has for the last year. I had only driven the truck about 10 miles after I bought it and thought the no synchro 4speed has got to go. It was actually your series of pictures that I pretty well used religiously to do as you did. I made the adapter plate myself with the help of a machine shop to turn out the centre, but from there I just started at the front rebuilding the things that I am finding wrong, broken or worn out and have been steadily working my way to the rear.
My eyes kind of glazed over the day I bought it, because the body was all done, I didn't look to close at anything else and just took the PO's word that this was done and that was done.
Live and learn.

Brian

Brians40

Very nice indeed,

Congratulations !

Jan from Belgium

Brian,
Very nice job on tranny install. I like your MC bracket, e brake and battery box. I am going to file this away for reference. Thanks for the photos. They show your thought and skill ended with an excellent install.
Dan

Brian Great job you are doing.very nice pictures. one question for you do you have any prints or Drawings with Dimensions ??? for the brackets etc.reason i'm asking is that is pretty much just what i want to do with my 37 truck thanks Earl

Nice clean work!! You've done an awesome job!! You must be chomping at the bit to get her back on the road!! Great pics too!!

Brian:
Great job, thank you for these pictures… If we would document our work, in pictures, as we move through our projects, especially in those areas where there is a lot of interest here, everyone would benefit. The adage, "a picture is worth a thousand words", certainly applies here.

Brian,
As previosly stated above, nice work and some great ideas. Can you elaborate a bit on the MC choice, part numbers etc.
I am looking at brakes next trip to Texoma and will be dealing with them. Can I assume your using factory brake shoes front and rear. I have two old MC's but no push rod.
Brett

I am glad this helps everyone who is interested.

Jan from Belgium
I make my own goofjuice,I think I will go get a refill!

Earl[GMC1937]
I really haven't taken down dimensions or made any drawings of what I have done except for the transmission adapter plate and unfortunately I chucked it. This happened almost a year ago and it was only because I had become a little discouraged and overwhelmed with the truck. Everything that I was checking, to make sure it was safe and mechanically sound, wasn't and I figured I wasn't going to be doing this again, so why keep it and why bother taking pictures. I wish I had now.
The list included brakes, kingpins, bent front axle, all steering linkage, wiring and lots of evidence of being rode real hard and put away wet. I almost put it all back together and was going to sell it.But I got over it.

What I can tell you about the adapter plate is that the dimensions are 7 1/4" x 10 1/2" x 5/8" thick. You will have to find your centre of the T5 on the plate first. How I did that was, I went flush with the top of the T5 cover and the plate and placed the lower mounting ears of the T5 equally inwards from the outsides of the plate. That is a good starting point. A digital Vernier Caliper is really good for doing your measurements. The clutch housing side of your plate will be machined off 1/8" except for a 1/8" square pilot ridge. The outside diameter of your pilot of course is the diameter of the clutch housing hole. The other side is the diameter and depth of the T5 bearing retainer. The mounting holes were measured radiating from the outside circumfrence of the bearing retainer, up and down and across from each other. You will also have to transfer the mounting hole locations from either the clutch housing or original transmission onto your pattern and then plate. I used a piece of countertop Formica to do this, it is thin, hard and easy to cut shapes into it. Four T5 mounting holes I drilled and tapped 1/2". The two bottom holes, plate to housing, were tapped to 1/2". The two top holes were drilled and tapered for a tapered flat top 1/2" bolt. The bearing retainer holes were hogged out for the appropriately sized metric tapered flat top bolt.

The master cylinder brackets are really left up to you. The one on the transmission,I just measured in between the ears on the trans. and went down far enough to catch the M/C bracket. I used 3/16" plate for everything except the top flange, that was 1/8". The M/C / pedal bracket was broken and welded up very poorly, so I could only work with what I had and made, I feel, the best of it that I could. The e-brake bracket was the same. For this one though I took measurements from the top of the floorboard to the pivot point on the brake lever and from the clutch housing to the pivot point before I pulled the original transmission out. All the brackets were measure, cut, fit, tack, cut again, fit, drill, etc., all that time consuming stuff. I hope this helps a little at least.

Brett [Cavebull],
Your series of photos are a real inspiration. Nice work.
Yes my brakes are original with new cylinders and shoes. The master cylinder that I am going to use [first and only I hope] is from a 1981 Mustang, NAPA # TS101764, comes with pushrod. The reason that I am using this one is that the original M/C has, I believe, a 1" bore, feeding 4 wheel cylinders. Using this particular M/C has a 7/8" bore with two separate resevoirs, each feeding two wheel cylinders. The smaller the bore size, the higher the pressure you can create with the given pedal ratio but along with also, longer pedal travel. I am hoping that the dual 7/8" master cylinder will perform favorably with better than original performance. I will see a couple of months from now. If the pedal travel is to far, I will go to NAPA # 39011, 1" bore. Same shape and fitting size. This one is off a 1986 Ford 1/2 ton. Hope this helps you out.

Brian
Brians40

Brain Thanks for the info. Sounds like your pretty good around Machinery. good tips will help .Good work keep it up later Earl

Thanks all,
Read and keep thinking what my grampa used to tell me "none of us is as smart as all of us together."

Brett

I just made some templates for my t 5 install. We will see what the finished product is when I am done. If all goes well I will make copies of them and will email or send to anyone who would like them