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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 | Hi folks, as the title says, I don't see any adjustment looking at the front end... My truck doesn't track the best, and also sorta shimmies on the highway when you try to correct the direction your going. There is quite a bit of positive camber looking at the front of the truck. So much so the outer edges of the tires are worn quite a bit. Any help or links where I can read up on this would be great. I did a search on here but came up with nothing.
Thanks, Jason | | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,100 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,100 | Hy vwjunkie, camber is changed by bending the axle, you'll have to find a good alignment shop that's been around for awhile, and has the jacks to adjust the camber. They'll also check everything from wheel bearings to caster to toe-in, good luck. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2000 Posts: 769 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2000 Posts: 769 | An alignment shop that services big rigs should be able to align your straight axle truck. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 | It's possible to set the camber with a piece of I-beam, some heavy chains, and a couple of 20-ton bottle jacks, but it also takes a few years of experience to get it right! Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | If you noticed, the camber changes quite a bit when you turn either way. If your toe in is way out of spec, the wheels will display too much camber. When I was assembling mine, you could see the camber. When I went to set the toe in it was sitting at 2". With the toe in set correctly my camber is correct. | | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 | Before you have any bending done to the axle, check the king pins and wheel bearings for wear/proper adjustment. Wear or improper adjustment can cause a camber issue. If it's still off after resolving any issues there, then look into gatting the axle corrected at a good shop with the proper tools as the others have stated.
Bill Burmeister | | | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 | Thanks guys for all the info. I have been over the front wheel bearings, king pins and brakes just a couple nights ago. I was told they were newer by the previous owner, and they are tight. The whole front end including the tie rod ends and drag link are supprisingly not worn at all. I found the wheel bearings to be a little loose, but after preloading them correctly it didn't make any difference. The truck has a bunch of camber just looking at it straight on with the wheels straight. I'll check the to in and see where that is, but I don't think its way out like 2" like truckernix had. Bending the axle sounds like lots of fun... I would be supprised that there would be a shop willing to do that anymore, or much less know how to. Anyone from the St.Louis area here that knows of a place to go?
Thanks, Jason | | | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | With the truck sitting on level ground put a level against the tires. It should be level or just a little pos. camber. If one is pos. & the other side neg. you could have a weak spring. Make sure each wheel is straight ahead when checking it. Like Mr. Nix says the toe in could be way off making it apear to be off on camber. You can set the toe in your self. They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | You can measure the camber petty accuractely with the level method. The floor has to be level between the tires. As an example, if you measure the difference from vertical between the bottom and the top of the rim you can compare it to the specs. Use the sine function in the calculator to get the sine of one deg for instance and then multiply by 16 for 16 inches. The result is .279" or the correct measurement for 1 deg. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 | Thanks for the info.. I have way more than one degree. Looking straight at the truck, I would guess the difference from top to bottom to be a good 1/2" or better. How would to you about bending the axle to correct that? I can see how you would do it to go the other way by bending it up in the middle with the bottle jack like was suggested above, but I would need to go down in the middle...
Jason | | | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | That was my point. At the maximum camber you are looking at somewhere around 3/8" across the rim at least, and if you are talking about the tire, it is more than that. I can't imagine how the axle would get bent without doing big damage to other parts of the frame. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 190 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 190 | I agree with Longbox55. I would go over the kingpins. I had a 49 ford..I know I know...anyway it had all the things you are describing. To look at the kingpins and try and wiggle nothing looked wrong. After I removed and replaced the kingpins and bushings it was good to go. Don't know who your previous owner was. But I would still be inclined to disassemble and check myself. An axle has to take a pretty good hit to knock it that far out. | | | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | I believe the specs for your camber will be something like 1 deg +/- 1/2 deg. That would give a maximum of 1 1/2 deg. That translates to .68" over a distance of 26", as in the height of a tire. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 | Even if it is at the max spec, to me thats too much. It doesn't handle well and the tires are wearing pretty bad. I suppose I could take apart the king pins, but do you ream them to fit in the truck? I could see reaming them off center, but if you just assemble everything and it is where it is, I don't see what that will change. I would agree the axle would have to take a hard hit, but it looks totally straight under the truck. Both tires are cambered equally as well.
Jason | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | Jason,
What is your toe-in setting?
Tim
| | | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | Your camber specs are as I stated. Your kingpin bushings are of the "floating" type. The inner diameter is already correct for the kingpin and the outer diameter makes for a snug fit when they are pushed into the spindle assembly. There is no reaming to be done. | | | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | I agree. I wouldn't want any obvious camber. If your king pins are not worn I would contact an alignment shop that deals in trucks. To them that 1/2 ton would be like bending a piece of sheet metal after doing the large trucks. They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,871 | The axle bending gets done between the spring and the spindle- - - - -NEVER in the middle! I use a piece of 8 or 10 inch I-beam at least as wide as the axle, and a foot or so beyond each tire is better. Chain the spring mount area to the I beam with several wraps of proof coil chain, then fabricate a support a foot or so inboard of the spring mount between the I beam and the axle. A piece of 3 inch square tubing works well for that. Put the bottle jack under the kingpin area, and jack it up until you can see the angle change a little. Go slightly beyond the amount you want the camber to change, as it will rebound somewhat. To increase the positive camber reverse the process- - - -chain the spindle area down, and jack up at the spring support area.
Better idea- - - - -get a pro to do the bending- - - - -when a 20-ton jack comes loose during the bending operation, it flies across the shop and takes concrete blocks out of the wall! Don't get in its way! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
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