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#51074 10/12/2005 1:42 AM | Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 67 Member | | Member Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 67 | Other than running the heater are there serious implications with running without a thermostat? | | |
#51075 10/12/2005 2:59 AM | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 | Florida,
One school of thought is that without a thermostat, the coolant roars through the radiator much faster and heat transfer is reduced. I don't know if this has been proven or not...the thermostat will keep the engine at the proper temperature for better overall performance. I wouldn't run without one.
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#51076 10/12/2005 3:36 AM | Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 586 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 586 | Your going to overheat the engine. Cecil........ | | |
#51077 10/12/2005 3:44 AM | Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 90 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 90 | Particularly in winter your motor will take a long time to warm up. It's not good for your motor or the oil to run too cold for extended periods. I had a thermostat get stuck open a few winters ago and there was a noticable difference in how the motor ran, not to mention it never warmed up enough for my heater to be of use. | | |
#51078 10/12/2005 4:05 AM | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,029 Member | | Member Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,029 | And you will get crappy mileage in the winter. | | |
#51079 10/12/2005 4:07 AM | Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 153 Member | | Member Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 153 | i always assume the engineering team that comes up with ideas like putting in the plumbing to support things such as thermostats, did it for reasons which would give me a headache to try and figure out all the implications of eliminating them would no doubt bring about.
Overland Blue, 1953 GMC 1/2T, 100-22, 228/1bbl, 4sp/4.10 6v, shortbed/fender side/5-window.
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#51080 10/12/2005 4:23 AM | Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 67 Member | | Member Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 67 | thanks Guys,
Beings there are different temps involved with different thermos any input on best op temp for '67 250 ?
wintertime and cold, thick oil are not as much of a problem here in coastal Florida as up north I would guess...
we only had a light frost here once all winter last year...brutal heat is more a factor than cold I think maybe... | | |
#51081 10/12/2005 2:15 PM | Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,384 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,384 | 180 is what I run here in Arkie land, feels like Fla all summer,,hot & humid but no ocean breeze. Brian | | |
#51082 10/13/2005 6:17 AM | Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 153 Member | | Member Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 153 |
Overland Blue, 1953 GMC 1/2T, 100-22, 228/1bbl, 4sp/4.10 6v, shortbed/fender side/5-window.
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#51083 10/13/2005 8:01 AM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 | i always drill some 1/8 inch holes in the edge so if it sticks closed it wont damage the motor but will come up to temp. | | |
#51084 10/13/2005 12:28 PM | Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 157 | Originally posted by 32fire2: i always drill some 1/8 inch holes in the edge so if it sticks closed it wont damage the motor but will come up to temp. Interesting idea. A lot of the F**d products of about the same time era had a little bypass hose. I always wondered what would happen if the thermostat would stick in the closed position in an AD truck. | | |
#51085 10/14/2005 7:45 AM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 | i saw a nice rig burn a motor because the stat stuck closed boats in salt water are worse and outboards i pull the thermostat and run with out iv had to pull them out at sea when they fail | | |
#51086 10/16/2005 1:10 PM | Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 212 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 212 | From my experience I don't think it will do any harm to not use a thermostat. I have a 57 buick and have problems with it overheating. It would take forever for the motor to get hot enough to open the thermostat. The thermostat would finally open, and the heat gauge would immediately drop back into the normal range, but then it would soon close and the cycle would start over again. Too hot, cool, back to too hot and so on. I now realize I was using the wrong thermostat, but my solution was to just do away with the thing. In the summer the motor would go to normal operating temperature and stay there, and in the winter, if I wanted to drive it, I just put a small piece of cardboard in front of the radiator to block the air flow to a small portion of it, and everything worked fine. I have done this for a long time with no problems. I realize this is a Buick not a Chevy, but the principle should be the same. Allen | | |
#51087 10/16/2005 1:26 PM | Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,602 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,602 | There is no thermostat installed on the 51 chevy firetruck's 235 engine. Did all trucks come with one? There is no defroster/heater on this truck either. From the firewall layout, it appears there never were heather hoses going through the firewall to the interior. So given all that, do I need a thermostat and what tempature should it be if I need one?
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#51088 10/17/2005 9:24 AM | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,458 Extreme Gabster | | Extreme Gabster Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,458 | You need a thermostat on a 6 cylinder engines to equalize the wear across all 6 cylinders. If you don't have one the front 1 or 2 cylinders will run too cool and wear egg shaped faster than the rest. This is due to the position of the water pump.
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#51089 12/22/2005 2:18 AM | Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,602 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,602 | Ok. I'll put one in. What tempature thermostat should be used on a 2 ton 1951? | | |
#51090 12/22/2005 3:03 AM | Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 165 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 165 | Back then it would have been a 160 or 170. | | |
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