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Hi Bill -

Good to see you back! Don't stay away so long - we need the support of guys like you that know what they are doing!! It helps out us noogies! Er-r-r, maybe that wasn't the right word! It helps out us rookies - for sure!

We have had the rain, but now it seems dry again. I can hold out though - it's almost September - ah, yes fall is on the way.

So do we know for sure - did Edmunds make a side cover? I can't ever remember seeing one. Jaime should know who all made side covers - where the heck is he when you need him?

In the meantime, as I think about it, there may not have been that many side covers made. Barry, I'm kind of like you - I have been so obsessed with finding that one (Fenton) that I really have not paid attention to whom did or didn't make them.

Joe

For sure the sidecovers are much harder to find than intakes or valvecovers. And I would say the tall sidecovers are more common than the short ones.

You guys just had to get me thinking about sidecovers, didn't you? Now I'll be saving my lunch money for the next 3 years just so I can buy some stupid old flat piece of aluminum with fins cast in it and holes around the edges. Thanks.

Im here,just scored a couple of valve covers this past week,a sharp and another Mcgurk!I think you listed all the side covers Joe,Barry would know more them me.
Barry,I ate mexican steak(balogna) and beans for the last month or so so I could buy these covers.Will reply some more later,got to get to bed,heard about a nos Fenton valve cover/intake package about an hour and a half from me.

Great thread, just read it from one end to the other... .

Love to see that shot of the table full of intakes.
I can host pictures and post them to this thread if you like...

ViejitosCC -- did you manage to put together that speed equipment webpage you mentioned?

oh,

other makes:
Chiles
Hartman
Peirce Manifold
Ellis (someone must have said that, did I miss
it?)
Multipower

There's also some interesting stuff from Gotha.

Like the build-your-own intake featured in this thread .

Well, maybe a couple of carb stands and a block off plate isn't that interesting. That said, I just got married and have zero budget at the moment. It seems like it'd be pretty easy to toss something similar together out of found parts...

Somday I'll have one of those smooth edmunds 2x1s...

Hey Tom -

Welcome to the "Bolt"! You came into a very interesting and longer than usual thread with some great information.

I saw that "build your own intake" over on Inliners just last night as I was looking around and even though it isn't shiney and pretty, it is kind of an interesting piece of equipment, and very well done.

You got me hung one one comment - I don't think I have ever seen a Chevrolet 6 Ellis intake. I have seen a GMC 6 Ellis intake, and for some reason I thought Ellis was a GMC only intake. I'm probably wrong, but I figured this might be a good time to mention it and find out for sure!

Good to have you aboard!

Joe

Hi Joe.

Thanks for the welcome!

Started a thread about homebuilts on chevytalk but haven't picked up much concrete info.

On the Ellis:

I don't actually know for sure -- I'm just learning.

There is this one that is apparently for an International. Again, I say "apparently" -- the seller doesn't even know for sure. Doesn't look like GMC though...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Clas...198QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

hope linking to that site is ok. Not mine...


The names I mention above are a direct result of my reading this post:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...p;page=2&highlight=stovebolt+intakes

Admittedly the first guy with the Ellis doesn't say what its for and the second one is on a GMC.

Maybe I'm spreading lies. I hope not!

Tom and Joe- I have an Ellis for a Chevy, but believe it was originally intended for use with propane. Most of the Ellis intakes I have seen have been for bigger trucks: GMC, International, Dodge (Chrysler flathead 6), etc..

What got my attention was when Tom mentioned Gotha. I have seen very little Gotha stuff in my life, and all of that was for '50's V-8's. (Olds, Pontiac, Mopar) If anyone could post more on Gotha speed equipment for early Chev. 6's, I'm all ears! Pics or scans of a Gotha catalog would be great!

Barry,
The Gotha ads I've seen were for conversion parts.They had a kit to convert the stock intake to dual carbs,( it was basically two flanges you welded onto a stock intake with a blockoff plate for the stock carb location), and a kit with a flange to split the stock exhaust manifold. Sort of a poor man's performance line.
I'd have to look at some of my old mags to check out if they offered other stuff, can't remember now. They were based out of Harvey, Il on the south side of Chi. so you'd think some of there goodies would be around here. There was an old Deuce coupe around here that had an Olds V-8 with Gotha aluminum valve covers and I believe intake a while back.

Bob

Here's a Gotha ad spread (1953, Hop Up) from another post I'm watching

[img]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q109/cx_deluxe/GothaAdvert.jpg[/img]

You'll note (above "Nash Headers") that they have Fenton, Douglas, Belond(?) "etc." headers "in stock" as well as "Edelbrock, Nicson, Edmunds, etc." intakes.

So we know at the least that they dealt in other people's stuff and offered their own cheap alternatives...

Oh, and they clearly offered catalogues. Maybe someone has one!

Maybe Tom or Bob knows, but was Gotha an actual manufacturer of speed equipment then, or just a speed shop that sold others products? I've seen some Gotha stuff, but maybe it was actually someone elses products with just the Gotha name cast in it, much like Fenton did to make the D&S intakes?

Bob, I do remember that old '32 hot rod with the Olds in it, and the Gotha covers. I saw it at the Pileup 2 years ago, I believe. Last I read on the HAMB, it was for sale for $35,000 firm. Haven't seen it since, maybe it sold and left the area?

Barry, You been to the Pileup? I've been to every one. Wish I'd known.

Bob

Bob, I missed the first two Pileups at the body shop in Sycamore, but have been to Morris 3 of the past 4 years. Me and Kathy even spent our anniversary driving down to the Scrap Drive in Belvidere this June. I get to northern Illinois quite often, all the good stuff is down there!

no,was going through some stuff with my father.I would still like to get more pic's though.

come on guy's,dont let this die!I like the new lay out-fancy!
Barry,you ever see these before?
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More! More! I've never seen Tornado stuff before. Got any details about that exhaust manifold? You mentioned you had some Hollywood deep tone stuff and I was wondering if those were modified stock parts or made from scratch?
Curt B.

Wow! That's a first for me! I have never seen any Tornado equipment before. I'd be willing to bet that stuff is more rare than chicken lips. Even the brochure is probably pretty rare. Sure is pretty!

Joe

The one in the Tornado catalog looks like a stock manifold that has been split.The Hollywood deep tone is made from scratch.

yes yes and yes!They made 235 push rod covers also from what I understand.How are you Joe?

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m177/49Cosmo/EDELBROCKDRIVERSSIDE.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m177/49Cosmo/EDELBROCK.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m177/49Cosmo/2X2.jpg

This is Steve's (BUFFALO ENGINEERING) conversion of a 2x1 to a 2x2 Edelbrock. I'll be using 2 of Tom Langdon's Carter-Webbers. I've invested about 7 hours of filing and smoothing the aluminum welds, but I'm not going for the highly polished look. I like the 'hour glass' transition from the 2 bbl plates to the stock Edelbrock body.

Hey Jaime -

Doing fine. Enjoying the cooler weather!

I love the Tornado side cover. I guess it was made without a name on it. It sure is a good looking sidecover. It looks like the valve cover was also made without a name on it. I could get into one of those side covers!

Joe

where the heck is Barry?

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m177/49Cosmo/dualc-w1-1.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m177/49Cosmo/articulatingassembly2.jpg
Here are a couple pics of getting closer to the install.

It sure is fun to see this old equipment. The old made new is cool too.

You just know that side cover is hanging from a nail in some weather beaten old shed with a tarp covered 54 Chevy convertible hiding underneath.

Man where in Jack Sparrow's compass when you need it?

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Here is a 235 manifold we split this past saturday'
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Nice work on the manifold Jaime. I've heard of guys using a MIG to weld cast, I guess it can be done.
Where'd you get that outlet, almost looks like a radiator hose outlet.

Bob

Nice work and interesting approach. Are both the outlets the same diameter? I was curious why there’s no bevel in the added one. Thank’s for posting the Tornado pic’s.Here’s a Tornado style sidecover for the 235/261 that is soon to be born.

Here’s what I came up with. A big thanks to Joe for his input, pictures, and testing on a setup that works even better than it looks.

Curt B.

Bob,there was a kit you could buy back when that had this outlet,I found this one on ebay.It is/was commen to use a water neck to split a manifold but they are getting hard to find the right one with a 90 degree.The trick on welding cast is to pre heat the piece until red hot and turn your 220 mig all the way up.

Curt,the outlets are the same bore but different spread on the studs.I am unsure if this applys to the repo Fentons but the originals are set up to take a donut one the foward header,on the back header it takes a flat gasket.When these were designed,the cars were new and they only added a 2nd pipe/muffler unlike now where we run complete new exhaust systems.

On the side cover,will it be cast or machined?There was already a small run of 15 made recently off the original pattern/mold.I talked with the guy that has the pattern and he said he would do another run if there is enough interest.I am trying to spear head this to get it done.

The linkage looks great but we need more pics and details,your not getting off that easy.

On the original Fentons and, I believe, the repros there are two types of donut gaskets that will work, one each, on the front and rear header. One is a full donut to work on the bevel with a slightly flared exhaust pipe and the other is a half donut, for lack of a better term, that will work on the flat surface header. If that exhaust pipe is flared slightly, it will work much better than a gasket because it will allow a little "wiggle room", like the other, due to the flare. Most of the muffler shops can get or have both. By using these donuts, you can slip the exhaust pipe around during installation to perfectly align them. It's a better way to get a good installation!

I've got a set of Curt's linkage and I will tell you and anybody else that wants to know, it works great! It's a simple design that does the job very nicely. It is well designed and well engineered and looks vintage!

Joe

anybody see one of these before???
[IMG]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/BigMenace213/288452140.jpg[/IMG]

Jaime, something tells me that you can probably play "Anyone Ever Seen One Of These Before" longer than anyone else here!! I'm gonna go ahead and give up now!!

What the heck is that anyway?

Joe

Joe,I seen this on another website.Its pretty sweet and says "hot rod".

Just great. Jaime emails me to check out the "intake" thread, as he's posted new pics. I open it up to see cool old Tornado and Hot Rod speed parts. More stuff to add to my list of vintage aluminum to look for. Like my list needed to be longer? LOL

This is about the coolest thread to grace these pages in the 12 years or so I've been hanging around here. It nevers dies! You just can't keep the old aluminum down!

I would have never thought I would be reading a computer screen showing information and pictures of speed equipment from 50 to 60 years ago!!

This is a GOOD THING!

Joe

Joe,yes it is a good thing!
Barry,recieved the package today,awesome!

Hi, a 37 Lasalle trans with an adapter...where would you get the adapter from. Can you tell me what you did to the 216 to make it a full pressure system. Thx.,Dave

Not sure where to get the adaptor these days,just got to look.As far as the engine,I sent it to Becks Machine in Santa Maria california and they did teh conversion.