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#32151 05/07/2005 2:14 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | I've been thinking about picking up an 80s or 90s pick-up truck 4-bolt 454 (probably not a tall-deck) for my 1968 C60...would this engine directly bolt into place with the existing smallblack (305) mounts? If not, what kind of fabrication or parts buying can I expect to do? I'm short on cash and skill, and praying for a pretty direct bolt-on. | | |
#32152 05/07/2005 3:40 AM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,814 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,814 | You'll need a different (as in BIGGER) radiator, ditto on the exhaust system. None of the accessory brackets like power steering, alternator, etc., from the 305 will fit, so get everything you can from the donor vehicle. Bellhousing bolt pattern will be the same, not sure about motor mount brackets. You might need a torque converter with a different stall speed, assuming the truck has an automatic trans. The big block will pull a lot harder at low speed, so a lower stall speed converter will make it work better. If it's a C-60, it's probably a stick shift, but if you can get a Turbo 400 with the engine, drop them both in there! Jerry
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#32153 05/07/2005 4:58 AM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 | Remember that the 454 is externally balanced. It requires a 454 specific flex plate or clutch disk.
That '68 didn't come stock with a 305. Could it have been a 366 or 427? If so the existing raditor could be big enough.
Also, if anything was butchered to put the 305 in, you may have to correct some issues before putting a new motor in. Otherwise a big block was available in a '68 so stock mounts will be available if the existing ones aren't right.
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#32154 05/07/2005 7:50 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | the previous owner put a new 305 rebuild in, so that explains the incongruous motor. I'm not worried about the accessory brackets and radiator so much as the actual engine-to-frame mounts, but it's good to know about the external balancing...are there any internally balanced big blocks? I would prefer a 366 or 427 tall deck truck engine, but they're harder to come by it seems. The radiator is definitely too small for a big block. It's a Spicer 5-speed by the way. | | |
#32155 05/07/2005 8:57 PM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 | The smaller big block motors were internally balanced. The 454 is externally balanced. I don't know about the bigger big blocks, but would guess they are externally balanced for the same reasons the 454 is.
If you plan to stay with that 5-speed you would need the correct flywheel for a 454.
My thought of the tall vs standard deck motors is that 454s are the most common and therefore least expensive to build of all the big blocks. The tall deck motors are least popular but perhaps cheapest to buy, provided you can find one.
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#32156 05/08/2005 3:26 PM | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | If I was short on money & skills I would put in a 350 small block. It,s a simple bolt in useing all your presant parts. We ran them in c50s & c60s for years. They pull good & are easier to maintain than a big block.  They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | |
#32157 05/09/2005 3:11 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Member | | Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 122 | that's not a bad idea about the 350...I was thinking of maybe trying to get a 4-bolt main 400 smallblock. I love a good 350 as much as the next gut, but I feel like I need a serious cubic inches bonus to justify doing a motor swap in this rig. I'm also trying to avoid even having to build a motor, just hoping to find an ebay or junker that runs well enough as is | | |
#32158 05/09/2005 4:09 AM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 | The 400 small block is another externally balanced motor.
And they are not easy to find. They are not cheap and finding one a used one in a wrecking yard may be impossible.
A 383 stroker crate motor might be good compromise.
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#32159 05/09/2005 4:57 AM | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 7 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 7 | I WENT FROM A SMALLBLOCK 350 TO A BIGBLOCK 454 IN MY 67C10 AND THE ENGINE MOUNTS WORKED PERFECTLY.
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