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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,554 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,554 | As you folks know I am putting a 41 gmc coe cab on a 2001 chevy 3500 cutaway van frame, it has an 8.1 3ngine with a 4L80E transmission. I have mounted the engine behind the cab and I want to know if I really need a transmission cooler, as of right now my plan is to make it into a BIG pickup truck. No real plans for heavy towing or hauling. What do you think? Dave 1941 Chevy"First rebuild - complete!"Follow the story in the DITY1941 GMC resting peacefully 1946/1947 Chevy Street rod on s10 frame complete 1945 GMC panel truck in line for restoration 1941 Plymouth stock complete 1941 GMC COE in restoration processRead his Project Journal1941 Chevy Coe uncertain future resting now
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 | Dave, If you have the tranny cooler from the chassis, I'd install it. I wouldn't want to take the chance of burning up the transmission.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,195 Insomniac | | Insomniac Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,195 | Borg Warner made an air cooled transmission. It wasn't good.
Your radiator might have a transmission cooler. You just have to plumb it in.
Gord 🇨🇦 ---- 1954 1/2 ton 235 4 speed | | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 | Good thought, Gord. That's generally all that's needed. I think Dave was shopping for a radiator, a while back anyway.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,989 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,989 | The 4L80 does have some weakness in the overdrive drum/sprag section, heat is the enemy of automatics, I would plumb in the cooler if at all possible.
1957 Chevrolet 5700 LCF 283 SM420 2 speed rear, 1955 IH 300U T/A, 1978 Corvette 350 auto, 1978 Yamaha DT175, 1999 Harley Davidson Softail Fat Boy
| | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,554 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,554 | My issue is, do I use a single radiator with trans cooler in it or use two stand alone radiators. My issue is the distance between the engine/trans and the radiator at the front of 5he truck. Thoughts? Dave 1941 Chevy"First rebuild - complete!"Follow the story in the DITY1941 GMC resting peacefully 1946/1947 Chevy Street rod on s10 frame complete 1945 GMC panel truck in line for restoration 1941 Plymouth stock complete 1941 GMC COE in restoration processRead his Project Journal1941 Chevy Coe uncertain future resting now
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,252 "Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!! | | "Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!! Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,252 | Your radiator might have a transmission cooler. You just have to plumb it in. Some people I know, call that a transmission warmer. | | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 | Either way, you're going to need to run the tranny cooler lines from the tranny, wherever you put it. The best place for a air to oil tranny cooler would be up front by or in front of the radiator in the airflow, but I suppose you could put it underneath, closer to the tranny than the radiator would be. A tranny cooler (or transmission warmer as Mark says) in the radiator would be the most convenient thing to use as far as finding a place to mount things.
An OTW cooler in the radiator isn't a transmission warmer until the engine starts to overheat. Guys I knew who used to drag race Diesels with auto transmissions had temperature sensors in the transmission pan and would only get concerned if the temps got way over typical engine overheat temps, and that only happened after a few passes down the track. An OTW cooler would still cool the transmission, but would function as a warmer only if the radiator temp was warmer than the transmission as in first driving after completely warming the engine up.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,989 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,989 | A separate heat exchanger in front of the radiator will benefit from the cooling fan pulling air over the device, similar to the stock set-up.
1957 Chevrolet 5700 LCF 283 SM420 2 speed rear, 1955 IH 300U T/A, 1978 Corvette 350 auto, 1978 Yamaha DT175, 1999 Harley Davidson Softail Fat Boy
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,074 | A separate heat exchanger in front of the radiator will benefit from the cooling fan pulling air over the device, similar to the stock set-up. Or a remote oil-to-air cooler with an electric fan. But yes, the stock setup with OTA cooler in front of the radiator would work well also.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,811 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,811 | Back when I was towing travel trailers on a regular basis, I would add a second A/C condenser in front of the tow vehicle's OEM radiator/condenser stack and install a high volume flex fan on the engine. I'd split the flow of the added cooler, running engine coolant through 2/3 of it, and transmission fluid through the other part. That setup increased both the engine cooling and the trans cooling. The extra trans cooler was plumbed in series with the built-in radiator cooler. Of course, that was way back in the dark ages when A/C condenser tubes were copper- - - - -it would be virtually impossible to do that with a modern aluminum condenser! Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Nov 2021 Posts: 1,258 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2021 Posts: 1,258 | I want to know if I really need a transmission cooler Dave Yes. slush boxes need to be cooled. If you didn't, it would eat itself very quickly. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 892 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 892 | In winter my 4L80E trans oil never sees 100 deg unless it gets over 40 deg. ambient. I installed a oversize cooler. Now I wonder if I should also use a thermostat. 4L80s do heat as soon as the TCC unlocks. I wasn't aware of the OD sprag heat issue. 1951 3800 1-ton"Earning its keep from the get-go"In the DITY Gallery1962 261 (w/cam, Fenton headers, 2 carbs, MSD ign.), SM420 & Brown-Lipe 6231A 3spd aux. trans, stock axles & brakes. Owned since 1971. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,989 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,989 | The 4L80 is built heavier than the than the 4L60 but they both had similar issues, mostly in the overdrive section. I had a 2000 K3500, crew cab, dually, diesel, only had 150,000 miles on it when I had to have the tranny rebuilt, it was the overdrive section. That truck had factory coolers for oil, power steering/hydroboost, and two for the tranny.
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1957 Chevrolet 5700 LCF 283 SM420 2 speed rear, 1955 IH 300U T/A, 1978 Corvette 350 auto, 1978 Yamaha DT175, 1999 Harley Davidson Softail Fat Boy
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