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Newly acquired '55 2nd Series, all original, no power brakes. I just rebuilt the stock master cylinder, flushed the lines, and vacuum bled the brakes in the correct order. I have about 7" total brake pedal travel, and I'm getting a hard pedal at about 3 1/2". Is this about right?
I haven't driven a vehicle with manual brakes for 40 years or more; and I've totally forgotten how these things are supposed to feel. I rebuilt the master to get me at least some brakes now to move it in and out of garage; I'll do a full brake job, new updated master, possibly front disks etc... after I retire in a year or so.
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Geoff
1955 2nd Series 3600 235 cid, 4 sp. - Current 1979 Chevy K10 350 cid 4 sp -Sold 1955 2nd Series Wide Window 283 cid 3 sp - Totaled
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,134 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,134 | Sounds to me like you're got reasonable brakes there. I put my truck together with new everything on the brakes recently and they worked about like that.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,927 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,927 | Yes. I agree with Kevin. I drive my truck all the time and that's how mine are. As long as they're stopping the truck without pulling, you're good.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,994 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,994 | The long peddle travel probably indicates that the shoes need adjustment, as long as the peddle is hard and doesn't drop when applied, it sounds like you have it bled ok.
1957 Chevrolet 5700 LCF 283 SM420 2 speed rear, 1955 IH 300U T/A, 1978 Corvette 350 auto, 1978 Yamaha DT175, 1999 Harley Davidson Softail Fat Boy
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Thanks,
Geoff
1955 2nd Series 3600 235 cid, 4 sp. - Current 1979 Chevy K10 350 cid 4 sp -Sold 1955 2nd Series Wide Window 283 cid 3 sp - Totaled
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,851 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,851 | Manual adjust Bendix brakes need to be adjusted for a firm drag (not locked up) when the tire is turned, then back off 10 notches on the coarse tooth star wheel. Ignore any drag or scuff sounds once the starwheel is loosened. The brake shoes self center as soon as the shoes touch the drums. 10 clicks is only one turn of the adjusting screw, so you're not over-loosening the adjustment. The fine tooth self adjuster starwheel needs to be backed off 20 clicks, with the ratchet pawl pushed away from the wheel with a small screwdriver. I like to adjust for a pretty firm drag on all the brakes before bleeding- -- -that retracts the wheel cylinder pistons fully and forces the air to the center of the cylinder near the bleeder hole. Bleed first- - -then do a final adjustment. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,134 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,134 | If you had everything apart on the backing plates, or installed new shoes, you'll need to adjust the anchor pin. The procedure is in the service manual and involves checking shoe clearance to the drum thru the slot at the edge.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 | If you had everything apart on the backing plates, or installed new shoes, you'll need to adjust the anchor pin. The procedure is in the service manual and involves checking shoe clearance to the drum thru the slot at the edge. If you are referring to the slot in the drum for inserting a feeler gauge, they discontinued that slot well before '55.
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,134 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,134 | I still have those slots on my '51, and I have a pair of drums from a '53 that still have the slots. But if you just tighten the shoes all the way with the adjuster and let the anchor pin relax to it's desired position, you probably don't need to mess with the slots.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Dec 2024 Posts: 114 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Dec 2024 Posts: 114 | I haven't done anything except rebuild the master. Pulled drums and did a quick looksee, fairly new shoes, drums were in good shape, could probably still be turned one more time. Thanks for the replies!
Geoff
1955 2nd Series 3600 235 cid, 4 sp. - Current 1979 Chevy K10 350 cid 4 sp -Sold 1955 2nd Series Wide Window 283 cid 3 sp - Totaled
| | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 | I still have those slots on my '51, and I have a pair of drums from a '53 that still have the slots. But if you just tighten the shoes all the way with the adjuster and let the anchor pin relax to it's desired position, you probably don't need to mess with the slots. According to the '48-'51/ '52 Supplement Chevrolet Truck Shop Manual, The feeler gauge slots were discontinued. You likely have '51 drums on your '53, which is perfectly fine.
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
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