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#1313063 06/04/2019 12:21 AM
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I got a bunch of old heaters when I got my 51 3100.

Can anyone tell me what heater I have installed? I'm assuming it's a recirculating heater? The blower has a switch under the dash and there is knob on the heater to direct flow. I also have a valve on the side of my thermostat. Is that to let coolant into the heater core?

What are the two other heaters I have? I think one is the fresh air heater, but not sure about the other fan?

If look at the assembly manual, there are a bunch of holes on the firewall for "Heater LD". Is that the fresh air heater? I'm going to use a bunch of stainless bolts and fender washers to seal them up, but what do people do about the big oval in the firewall? My floor is rust free, I'd like to keep it that way...


Thanks for the info for the newbie..

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1951 Chevy 3100 1/2 ton (1957 235, 4 speed, 411 rear)
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The heater in the first photo was called a recirculating heater, available as an option or accessory.

Post a photo of your firewall. There was another style of heater that needed more of the holes in the firewall.

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Thanks Tim. I deleted and reposted a better picture of the firewall in the original post. I don't know why it's posting here upside down though...

I'm guessing picture 2 and 3 are a fresh air heater? And picture 4 some kind of aftermarket fan?


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The photo of your firewall is attached (and re-orientated) below - I hope.

The hoses in place are for the recirculating heater (your first image in your first post).

The unused holes/openings are/were for the "deluxe" heater parts/hoses.
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I am going to plug up the small holes with stainless bolts and fender washers,
Are there any plates to cover up that huge oval hole?

Any idea what that round fan I posted is?


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As discussed above, two heaters in 1951 were available. The decals replaced the aluminum plate after 1950.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/8129448404/in/album-72157631868452754/
Recirculating hardware.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/8129444438/in/album-72157631868452754/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/8129418793/in/album-72157631868452754/
No heater or recirculating heaters came with these plates, if the inner plate is in place I would lean toward that or the after-market as being installed at some point. If Air-Flow those plates would be long gone.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/15838946822/in/album-72157631868452754/
The Air-Flow heater with Ranco had considerably more plumbing/hardware as shown.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/44267047400/in/album-72157631868452754/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/8130478168/in/album-72157631870734114/
The after-market brand is an Atlas, one of many brands and styles and period correct.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/38538349410/in/album-72157631868452754/

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Thanks for all the info Brad. If the truck came with a recirculating heater was there a plate to cover all the access holes for the air-flow heater? Are they available or am I on my own to make one?

If a truck had the air flow heater, did that suck in water through the passenger side vent?

The bottom front of my cowl under the vent is solid, but there is trash in there I have to clean out before any water can sit in there for long.



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On the firewall/Dash there was only a round plate to cover the fan motor hole. Brad's Photo

The other holes for the heater, the (oval Ranco temp control hole) and the (heater core hoses holes)
were apparently covered by the Inner Firewall Cover/Pad at classicparts.com
There were never any plates for those holes.
The heaters were not installed at the factory when the trucks were being assembled.
Heaters were considered a accessory and installed buy the dealer or by the owner of the truck..

According to the air flow heater installation manual you had to cut holes into the Inner Firewall Cover/Pad insulation..
Page 1 read # 2
Page 2 finish reading # 2, then read # 6.
Air flow heater installation Drawing.

Once the holes in the pad were cut you have to ether replace the Inner Firewall Cover/Pad or figure out anther way to cover the holes


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Here is the Chevrolet version of how the Air-Flow heater system works.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/17058542759/in/album-72157651718017649/
If the plate is in place any moisture drains out the weep holes (until it does not anymore due to plugging).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/15884899956/in/album-72157649468726416/
The above shows the louvre design intent from “The Cab That Breathes” circa 1947.
1947/48 were the only years that carried the Air-Flow (referred to in ‘47/48 as Fresh-Air Ventilator, Heater and Defroster) as a factory supplied option, RPO 385. The photo above is the same one that appears in both 47/48 Salesman Truck Data Books.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/48005151456/in/album-72157631868452754/
This photo is from ‘48 with the Chevrolet naming conventions.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/17037284497/in/album-72157651722976780/
This page from the FAM shows every hole and purpose for you.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/14237974312/in/album-72157631868452754/

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I stand corrected, Thanks Brad

The heaters were not installed at the factory when the trucks were being assembled.
Heaters were considered a accessory and installed buy the dealer or by the owner of the truck..
Accept for years 1947/48 there was a factory supplied Regular Production Option RPO 385 Fresh-Air Ventilator, Heater and Defroster.

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All of the heater hose holes were originally covered by a stick-on firewall sound deadening/heat deterrent pad on the inside of the cab. It did not deaden much sound, nor deter much heat, but one thing that it did do was stay in place. Nuclear adhesive.
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lol.
Did the firewall pad stop water from entering the cab?


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That tar-like glue will keep gamma rays from entering the cab.


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Originally Posted by JD1
Are there any plates to cover up that huge oval hole?

I notice the oval hole has small bolt holes above and below it. Make a sheet metal rectangle to cover the oval and use the small holes to bolt it on. Paint to match the firewall and it will look factory.


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Exactly what this guy did - I would have painted it body color however:

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There is a picture of a light colored cab in the Factory Repair Manual which shows that all unused holes in the cab were black. It is actually the adhesive side of the glued-on sound deadening/ heat resisting material on the inside of the cab for the most part. I am not getting all preachy about originality, I am just sharing what I have seen. These are y'all's trucks. They are the coolest looking trucks out there no matter these trivial details.
Carl

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Originally Posted by 52Carl
That tar-like glue will keep gamma rays from entering the cab.
LOL


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Originally Posted by JD1
If the truck came with a recirculating heater was there a plate to cover all the access holes for the air-flow heater? Are they available or am I on my own to make one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-1955-1st-Chevrolet-Chevy-GMC-Pickup-Suburban-Panel-Heater-Delete-Plates/133038031585?hash=item1ef9af42e1%3Ag%3AWuYAAOSwwYpavA4g&LH_ItemCondition=4


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