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Hi guys, Well I’m sure some of you guys will get a good laugh out of my lack of knowledge but this is my first truck and I have two brackets on the firewall and cannot figure out what the heck they are for. I tried to google 48 gmc trucks to see if anybody else has them and could not find one other truck with them. I’m thinking I’m going to remove them but then again I didn’t want to if they actually do something, anyway any help,would be much appreciated!
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Look like horn mounts to me but in the wrong place. Someone who knows will be along shortly.


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I'm with you Martin. They sure are styled like horn mounts but on the passenger side firewall?? I know very little about the trucks of that era so If it's not factory it could be a PO modification from sometime in the truck's distant past. Stranger things have happened.

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My horns are mounted right there on the passenger side. Mine's a '52 Canadian GMC. I always just assumed it came like that from the factory, because as far as I can tell there has been very little modification to my truck.

Where else are horns mounted? I think I've seen some on the manifold.

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i could be wrong... this is what i have observed

all my Canadian trucks from 50-53 have 2 horns, a high and low, i don't know about 49 and older yet
one of my trucks does have a 1 manifold horn and 1 horn up on the firewall
all the others (5 instances) have 2 firewall horns with those brackets

my theory:
is that it's possible the local laws required both the high and low horns up here and that's why there is always two
(and if you don't have an oil filter, then only one goes to the firewall)
since most Canadian trucks have the bypass oil filter which interferes with the manifold horn location both horns would find their way to the firewall
oil filters are so common in Canada that it wouldn't surprise me if the factory was putting in the oil filters.

one of my trucks with both horns up on the fire wall has the manifold horn wire still present inside the wire harness tapped off in what appears to be original factory tape holding the wire unused in the harness,
non of the original owners would have cared or had disposable income to make unnecessary modifications of this type to a work truck.
to me this vehicle looks like the strongest evidence that the factory put both on the firewall with a relay on at lease some canadian trucks
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Those are the original mounts for the accessory dual Hi/Lo horn kit.

I dug one of those mounts out of a NOS kit for the pictures.

Those mounts are not installed correctly on the firewall of Jim K's truck per the 1951 accessory installation manual.
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Dual MATCHED horns RPO or accessory.

Mounted in a variety of areas until 1954-55 (when they were mounted on forward side of radiator housing).

The earlier ones were mounted on the firewall or, I dimly recall, maybe mounted on the intake manifold?

I do not think they were High-Low?

Brad might have complete documentation?

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Originally Posted by tclederman
Dual MATCHED horns RPO or accessory.


I do not think they were High-Low?

We are drifting off topic as the original question only related to the horn mount itself.... but I will entertain the banter.


I have 2 NOS dual horn kits & both have seashell horns in it..... one is stamped H, & one is stamped L.

I assumed that they were different tones but.... I could be wrong.
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Tim,
The matched horns have both high and low tones, that together have an awesome sound. I mounted an NOS set on my 1950 COE just as MT has pictured,using the enclosed instructions. One horn has an "H" stamped on the body and the other an 'L". I assume these stand for high and low, so I think it is OK to refer to them as High-Low horns. The correct location shown in the picture is sort of important as the kit comes with wires to connect to the relay and directly to the positive post on the starter. The wires have just enough length to go in the stock location and if you customize the location as the previous owner did on Jim K's truck you would have to use your own wires.
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Thanks, MT & Kent

I'll see if I can hear different tones. And, your post makes me dimly recall H & L markings on some of my horns.

The car and truck sets were different, I think.
Did they have different part numbers for the different mounting brackets (and, maybe for Hi/Lo)?

If I remember, I'll check the Truck Data Books.
And, I'll check my spare horns - I have some with car brackets and some with truck brackets.

Thanks,

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Car and Truck were different horns (mounting brackets and barcket-attachment locations on the horns).

ALSO, it looks like there was a High-note horn and a Low-note horn for both cars and trucks.

http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/parts/1929_54/173.htm

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Originally Posted by tclederman
Thanks, MT

Did they have different part numbers for the different mounting brackets (and, maybe for Hi/Lo)?

The car horn mounts are completely different from the truck mounts so, I am sure there are different part #'s for them.

Both of my NOS horn kits have identical horn mounting brackets in them & there are no part #'s on them.


The earlier truck kit is GM part # 986099 Gp.# 2.810

The later truck kit is GM part # 986397 Gp.# 2.810

My book shows 986099 as 1947 -1950.

My book also shows 986397 as 1951 & 1952 only.


Interestingly.... the 1953 & 1954 accessory installation books shows no listing for a truck accessory dual horn kit.

Looks like the firewall mounted seashell design horns in the dual horn kit were only offered as an accessory from 1947-1952.




Tim.... can you look up the RPO's for 1953 & 1954 to see if the dual horn kit was an option for 1953 & 1954 ?


It will be interested to see what kind of additional info. that Brad can dig up on this topic.



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Thanks guys for all the info, but if I want to use them (providing I can get the proper horns) it seems they are not in the correct location. It appears they have been there awhile since the bolts, nuts and brackets are all severely rusted together. What would you guys suggest, should I move the brackets to the right location? are the proper horns available? The one pic of the horns does look pretty cool!

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All GM Delco Remy seashell design horn elements were virtually identical as far as fitting the mounts on your firewall so...
don't limit your horn search to truck horns only.

Buick, Pontiac & Cadillac were just a few of the models in the era that used those seashell horns also.

It has been my experience that the Cadillac horns have a unique deep sounding tone to them.

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Here are the 1953 & 1954 match dual horns RPOs:

1953 - Accessory - High-Note
(the "Low-Note" was standard and mounted on the intake manifold)

Same "High-Note" accessory, to make dual horns - 1954/55st
(mounted on the forward side of the radiator housing)


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Thanks Tim.

Looks like the dual horn kit was moved from the firewall to the radiator support for 1953 & 1954 & it went from an accessory kit to a factory
"ad on" option only.

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The dual horns on 54 mount just ahead of the radiator and almost play "peek-a-boo" under the center horizontal grille bar.

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Originally Posted by Greg_H
The dual horns on 54 mount just ahead of the radiator and almost play "peek-a-boo" under the center horizontal grille bar.



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The second horn was available as an accessory in 1954 (see link in post above).

The 1953 dual horns were mounted on the intake manifold or the firewall.
I doubt they would fit on the front of the radiator support with the 1953 grill.
Do you have documentation that shows otherwise, Greg, MT, Brad, others.

Also, I’ll try to remember to post photos of some car sea shell horns that have mounting posts in different locations on the horns, compared to the truck sea shell horns.

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MT, that 1954 illustration show three horns. I have never seen that before.

Is that diagram from the add-on horn kits for 1954?
Did that kit come with two horns?

Thanks

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Sorry guys I probably should have pointed out my truck is a 48’ Joe is the pic from the manual you posted showing both horns on the firewall correct for my year? Also do you have any horns available?

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Originally Posted by tclederman
MT, that 1954 illustration show three horns. I have never seen that before.

Is that diagram from the add-on horn kits for 1954?
Did that kit come with two horns?

Thanks

The option for 1954 only came with one additional horn as far as I can tell.
The diagram covers different mounting locations on the radiator support based on model number of truck.




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Originally Posted by tclederman
The 1953 dual horns were mounted on the intake manifold or the firewall.

That is correct Tim.

Only one extra Hi note horn was mounted on the firewall for 1953. The standard production Lo note horn was still mounted on the intake manifold per the 1953 accessory installation book.

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sent Tim a picture that kind of shows what I was talking about. Still looking for more but not having much luck yet.

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Originally Posted by Jim K
What would you guys suggest, should I move the brackets to the right location?


I guess that's entirely up to you--however much you're into "correctness" or whatever you think you can live with. It's your truck--you can do it however you want.


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Here's a GM NOS horn I bought for my 1954 Chevy 3600 back in 2008 .

PIC

https://i.postimg.cc/PxJzFKZT/Hi-Note-Horn-Kit-NOS-b.jpg

&

https://i.postimg.cc/0ygQ77LH/Horn-Instruction-Sheet.jpg


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So I am trying to recall but I thought the 54 radiator support had pre-drilled and nut inserts where the horns mounted. Am I recalling wrong?

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Originally Posted by Greg_H
So I am trying to recall but I thought the 54 radiator support had pre-drilled and nut inserts where the horns mounted. Am I recalling wrong?

According to the installation procedures.... the radiator support is already drilled for the horns from the factory.
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So you would know better than anyone else I know...Does that make the 54 radiator support different than the previous years? Just in those drilled holes?

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Here's a pic of my horns mounted as yours were. Maybe different due to Canadian truck, maybe due to customization when turned into Fire truck as no spot for horns on engine due to auxiliary cooler. I'd have to look close, but by sound one is high one low. No reason for me to doubt original or at least before delivery change, mounting, wiring and even relay seemed untouched.
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52vff,

That is the location for 47-52 (and, maybe/most-likely for 1953).

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Yes, the 1954 radiator support was different that in earlier years - not just for those mounting holes, but also for slightly different size/dimension radiators.

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I will post some more item to this when I have time. These are the factory directions for the 1953 horn (#986799). This horn according to supplied directions in kit and the Accessories Manual is a firewall mount.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/47062535782/in/album-72157631868452754/

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Excellent, Brad

So, 1953, the standard "seashell" horn mounts on the intake manifold.
And, the accessory "seashell" horn mounts on the firewall.

Now, I hope I will remember to go to my garage tomorrow, to see/show that there were "seashell" horns that had mounting posts on them, that are in different locations compared to 1953/1954/1955st truck horns.

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My latest 50 3600 had 2 trumpet horns mounted on the passenger side of the firewall above the heater control valve. One was about 10" long and the other about 12" long. They were mounted side-by-side on 1 bracket. Each horn was insulated from the bracket. There was a relay mounted close to them. I removed them since I couldn't get them to work. I wish I had a picture. I don't know if they were aftermarket or a dealer installed accessory.


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These were most likely Town & Country horns, these were available as an accessory from the 1930’s through the late ‘50s.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/44842918801/in/album-72157631868452754/
These were available from Delco/GM as well as a host of aftermarket suppliers.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/33240486418/in/album-72157631868452754/
Big bracket, big horns, they take up a lot of room. If you look at the switch you will understand the Town & Country reference.
These exact same horns appear in the 1946 Salesman Data Book, they are common on the piano hood cars and trucks, the alligator hoods much less so, the photo below shows how much room is consumed (non-factory).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/30831498501/in/album-72157631870734114/

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The ones I had looked like the Double-Duo horns except the mounting bracket was not the same. Thanks.


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Wow ... what a cool discussion. Thanks!


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More photo references, 1951 set, the bracket are attached to the horns, they attach to the cad brackets shown. As discussed earlier wiring was made in exact, complete lengths.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/8129454392/in/album-72157631868452754/
Detail on the H (high) low marking on horns. High is always the optional horn if single set.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/14150816938/in/album-72157631868452754/
Typical dual horn install kit, all parts, pieces, directions furnished.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/15492567825/in/album-72157631868452754/
GMC NOS version (very rare as are most GMC accessories).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/16058087333/in/album-72157631868452754/
A set installed on a COE, pretty tight!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/28601771951/in/album-72157631870734114/
Pre-1954 vintage kit, identified by cloth wire.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/44122206874/in/album-72157631868452754/
1953 Accessory Guide showing single horn.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/23903473532/in/album-72157631872034068/
1954 Accessory Guide showing single horn.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/advance-design_parts_co/29345261632/in/album-72157631872034068/

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Here's a picture of my horns. They are mounted a little different than 52vff's horns. One of mine is upside down. '52 Canadian GMC.
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