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#1290316 12/08/2018 4:26 PM
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Hello everyone,
I just picked up an SM420 with the parking brake on the output shaft. My truck is a 1948 2 ton and currently has parking brakes on the rear axles. Will I need to change the drive shaft before the hanger bearing to fit the brake? Is it a good upgrade? Is the single band brake better than the two rear axle cable brakes?

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Parking brake on transmission is much better in my experience, it has the axle gear ratio in its favor.
Pretty sure it’s a bolt in swap, nothing tricky or else to replace.


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Excellent! Thank you!

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Which parking brake does your SM420 transmission have, the dual shoe (used on the big trucks) or the single external band type (used on the 1/2 to 1 ton trucks)?

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I’m curious to see a band type brake on an SM420, all I’ve seen are inner and outer shoe.


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Here is the picture of it. Picked it up off Craig's List for $100. Did I pay too much? It has a PTO too.
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That’s about the going rate for a used one in working condition. PTO only has value if you need it.


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1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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This is the transmission I have now.
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Originally Posted by Grigg
I’m curious to see a band type brake on an SM420, all I’ve seen are inner and outer shoe.


Next time I'm in the shop I'll take a picture of one for you...it's sitting in the back on the floor!

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I attached the drive line brake to the transmission and ran into a few problems. First, the pto levers are in the way of the brake so I would have to swap for a cable PTO. Second, I appear to be missing the correct yoke from the brake. Anyone know whats up here?
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With the brake the yoke is a “flange yoke” with a 4 bolt flange, not the spline yoke you show.
Which means you need a “companion flange” which has internal splines and the same 4 bolt pattern to match yoke, and drum may be bolted in between.

Did you not have a complete transmission with the brake on it, if so it should have all you need to swap.



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It did not come with the flange yoke. frown

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See if this helps...

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Originally Posted by Mike B
[quote=Grigg]Next time I'm in the shop I'll take a picture of one for you...it's sitting in the back on the floor!

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Here's a picture of the SM-420 Band Brake...

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That helps quite a lot actually. Thank you. I will try looking for a yoke like that. It wont work on our 6100 ton but It should fit the 4400.

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Thanks for the picture Mike.
Was that a small truck only for a year or two type thing, do you know the application?


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1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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Mike B - Does Fitzy 440 need a piece of the contraption I have stored at JM's. As you may recall, I intend to do away with the brake on that SM420 and look for the pieces I need for a 1/2 ton (no brake) application.
If I had a picture of the piece (or description) in question I am headed out to the farm today and over the weekend.
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HB,

I don't remember what you have, but I think he needs the yoke that would be still attached to your drive shaft (this is assuming you have a Dual Shoe set-up, not the Band type).

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Originally Posted by Grigg
Was that a small truck only for a year or two type thing, do you know the application?

Drum is 8x2-1/2"...

1955-66 3/4 & 1 ton (36,38 C20 & C30)
1958-62 1-1/2 ton (Ser. 4 & 40)
1965-66 1-1/2 ton (Ser. 50)

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