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#1273635 07/24/2018 2:31 PM
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Hi all,

Super stoked here, as I believe I've found some 4.10s for my 3600. I just wanted to confirm that both of the '68-'72 HO52s and HO72s are compatible with my stock axle? I've found a guy with one marked RAJ G308 and I believe it's this one from previous posts.

The �72 series C-20 RAH, RAJ, RJA, RJB, RKK, RKL, RKS, RKT, RJP, RJS, RKB, RKC, was an Eaton HO-52

I'm just confused about the difference between the 52/72 models and really hope that I've found 'The Holy Grail' wink

Thanks!


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http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/axles/1%20Ton%20Upgrade/

Yes your axles will work fine, check out the article above in the Tech Tips section. Good luck and watch that speeding with the new gears.


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I gained a whopping 6 mph with my 4.10.

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I'm not really looking to gain much top-end speed. But it would be nice to have 4 gears again, wink


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I have 32-33” tall tires and 4.10 gears and still take off in second more often than not.
The 4.10 is a great swap, but the advantage is on the top end speed, not low end gear choices.

Either the 52 or 72 with the 4.10 is a good donor.


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1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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To complete the 4.10 upgrade a T5 transmission with a .72 or so 5th gear brings our trucks into modern gearing territory. That said if you truly work your truck and have a stock engine, then the T5 may be a bit much. I do find myself missing the original SM420 first gear creep mode when in the hay field loading square bales or creeping down a particularly rough woods road. I don't miss it enough to go back to the 420 that's still in a corner of the shop however. It does give stump pulling torque but it really is nice to cruse at 60 mph with a quite and happy engine.

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Looks like it could be what you need. Big tell is the round gasket face (where the differential meets the housing) and 10 bolt holes. The images below show the 4.57's from my 3600. You're looking for a set of 4.10s that look like this, just different number of teeth on the ring gear and pinion. Now, if it has a locker the internals won't look the same but the housing will.
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1951 3600 with Clark flatbed, T5, 4.10 rear
1970 340 Duster
1990 5.0 V8 Miata (1990 Mustang Gt Drivetrain)
1964 CJ5
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It sure looks like the right one to me. Can you take a look at the number stamped on the back side of the ring gear and maybe post it ? You should have 41 teeth on the ring gear and 10 on the pinion.


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I'll see it in person tomorrow. Sellers says it's got 41 teeth though.


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Just picked it up, will post some pics soon. Should the felt pinion seal be changed as well?


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The modern/replacement pinion seal is rubber


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
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Thanks Grigg, I suppose this is worth changing then? Is it the 'NATIONAL 411330N'?


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I bought a pinion seal when I swapped gears. After running the new gears the pinion wasn’t leaking, so I haven’t replaced it.

The pinion nut is a special one, unusual thread I think. Mine is rusty, so without a spare nut on hand I haven’t been excited about pinion seal replacement either.

If yours doesn’t leak might also want to leave well enough alone.


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
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Another vote for leaving well enough alone. My experience is it's much easier to change the seal with the carrier in the housing, the support from being bolted up helps with breaking the pinion nut loose.

With the above said when I had my new to me, used 4.10s ready to install it was an easy decision to bolt it up and try it. If it leaked, then change the seal. Good news is no leaks with over 2,000 miles so far.

RonR


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1951 3600 with Clark flatbed, T5, 4.10 rear
1970 340 Duster
1990 5.0 V8 Miata (1990 Mustang Gt Drivetrain)
1964 CJ5
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Looking at this one, it doesn't look like it's been leaking, but it is also dirty/rusty.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5cApQtSLHXbWbFNz9

I'll pickup a seal, but will hold off on changing it.

Oh, and it's official, I found a unicorn:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CcPbmrtmkTqHmsTj6

: )


1948 Chevy Thriftmaster 3/4-Ton
Poncho "farming" in Ontario
Starting in the DITY
Continuing in the Project Journals
More images

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