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| | | | | Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,214 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,214 | I used 2" from the exh manifold back to the tail pipe when I did the single exh. I will still use 2" when I change over to duals. The 216 seems pretty peppy, doesn't miss, stumble or hesitate and starts pretty easy so it seems to be a good size/fit.
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| | | | | Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 554 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 554 | I also used 2" for my 235 engine and it is probably overkill. When deciding I think it is important to decide whether you will use mandrel bends or the more typical muffler shop bends that significantly reduce the diameter of the pipe at the bend.
| | | | | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,031 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,031 | are you making the exh kit? or a shop? exhaust pipe stock dual pipes? split headers?
details details 1.5''- is plenty 2.0'' maybe ???
what size is the exh muffler. so size to that and the header. then use a 1.5 exit pipe.
i have a 292, split headers into a single walker muffler and use 2'' pipe.
basic 2 into one
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| | | | | Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,611 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,611 | I am wrapping up things on my 41 with a 235, I need to do a total exhaust system. What size pipe should I use? Dave If you are going back stock, the exhaust system is a smaller diameter than 2 inches. I believe it is 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 but I am not positive. I have a NOS muffler and will get some measurements. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 | Would like to see those dimensions Paul. Are you sure it's a NOS Chevrolet muffler? Is it still in the box, or stamped with a number???
tks dg
Denny G Sandwich, IL
| | | | | Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 | Here is a pic from my 1942 parts book that gives tail pipe sizes. LINK
See the USA in your vintage Chevrolet! My Blog | | | | | Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 | I see in the parts book it does give muffler info. Group 3.701 1941-49 19-1/2" length of shell, 2" OD inlet, 1-11/16" OD outlet.
See the USA in your vintage Chevrolet! My Blog | | | | | Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,611 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,611 | Would like to see those dimensions Paul. Are you sure it's a NOS Chevrolet muffler? Is it still in the box, or stamped with a number???
tks dg Denny, as requested. [img]http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/3176/2014-02-13_11_41_57.jpg[/img]This is a photo from my image file taken a while ago. I don't have time to take any actual pipe diameter measurements right now as work has me more than occupied for the next couple of days (darn work). Will get the measurements this weekend. Paul | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 | Thanks Paul, no need for the dimensions, they're in the parts book. Interesting to see a picture of the real thing and where the baffle's spot welds were made. Not only is it in the original box but I see the part number embossed in the shell. Book says 41-49 Comm, Utility 19 1/2", 2"od exh. flange, 1 11/16 od tail pipe flange. It's not totally clear when they give the OD of the flanges whether they are talking about the OD of the flange or the OD of the pipe that would go into the flange. My guess would be that it's the later.
What we see as a replacement all to often, are the round mufflers for tractors sold at the farm stores or FLAPS. I have often thought about rolling my own from SS. It wouldn't be to hard to fabricate one that looked exactly like the original ones, short of the embossed numbers. I'm sure the baffling inside couldn't be to fancy. I'd love to see an original one cut apart (Brad)--I know there are bound to be a few original ones that are rusted thru by now just waiting to be replace. Was pretty common back in the day to replace the exhaust system at 30 to 40k. A muffler for the same application with the same dims was available from Chevy in an aluminized version, pn. 809750. Don't understand why they changed the tail pipe size from the 41-49 muffler to the 50-55 muffler. It's a different part number 3693710, aluminized it was 3794250. Only change in the two that I can see is the tail pipe flange went from 1 11/16" to 1 51/64". Obviously the later trucks went to a larger tail pipe diameter for some reason which makes no sense. Thanks much for the picture.
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| | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 | And now you gonna tell us how you know the original 3693710 muffler was centered Tim??? Are you hidin' a stash of them NOS jobbers in the back room??? The muffler on my '50 had been replace and it's obviously a replacement, 17 1/2" x 6", the muffler on my '54 is also a replacement, 21 1/2" x 6", I've got another replacement off of another truck, it was a '50 3100, 21"x 5". All these trucks had over 50k on them. So the only way to tell is as Paul has posted, a NOS, in the box muffler.
dg
Denny G Sandwich, IL
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 | Ahhhhh yes, Timothy you da man. Never really took notice of that section, but it clearly shows and describes the construction of that muffler. The one on my '54 was as I suspected, and aftermarket exhaust system, the muffler looks right but the flanges are staggered like the one in Paul's photo. The NOS part that Paul has doesn't appear to have rounded ends as does the muffler in illustration #3 of your second link. However, in illustration #4 the ends appear flat. Just one more thing for us to wonder about, probably used an older drawing for #3 as I seem to remember seeing those domed ends on some mufflers back in the late 50's when I worked in the business. In your last link, to the 1948-51 manual, they carried over the exact same earlier illustrations.
Thanks for the reminder, i.e., if all else fails,,,,read the instructions. And you should know me by now Tim, tain't being snooty, not a snooty bone in me body. I'm just pokin' a bit of fun at ya, I knew you'd come up with an answer if I rattled you cage, cuz I know your attention to detail. Denny G
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| | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | I have been through those manuals hundreds of time and did not recall there being a photo or descriptions of the mufflers. We lucked out - the illustrations and descriptions seem to be conclusive. I did not want to refer to the "MUFFLER FACTORY 34-62" that Jim Carter sells. Many people correctly look at JC as being a "gold standard". The "FACTORY" muffler that JC sells is a 1950+ straight-through muffler, but clearly JC has mis-labeled it as being the same from 34-62. It will work for all years, but it is not the design used in all years Do not worry about the "snotty" comment. Sometimes posters think it is snotty to be asked if they might have documentation regarding statements of originality. A request for documentation is not a challenge; it is an attempt to gather as much documentation as is available. As we know, Denny, even GM documentation can be wrong or contradictory, but is nice to see documentation if it is available. Paul's post of a photo of that part/packaging is most useful, and it caused us to think and to search. Thanks, Paul | | | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,146 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,146 | If I have my back turned to a vehicle and I only hear the sound coming from the exhaust pipe. I can distinctly tell, that the sound I'm hearing is coming from a 50's Chevrolet Six cylinder truck's straight through muffler. Its kinda like the old Plymouth car starters, they had a different sound when cranking the engine. Chevrolet should have trademarked the sound, like Harley Davidson tried to do with there V-Twin engine motorcycle sound. Ultimately they were denied trademark status on the "potato-potato-potato" sound. Sound trademark Never the less there's nothing like the sound of a purring Stovebolt Six. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | If I have my back turned to a vehicle and I only hear the sound coming from the exhaust pipe. I can distinctly tell, that the sound I'm hearing is coming from a 50's Chevrolet Six cylinder truck's straight through muffler. . . Never the less there's nothing like the sound of a purring Stovebolt Six. So true. That sound is even nicer through dual exhausts (even with two original style mufflers). It's not the racket, it's the rhythm and the snaps. | | | | | Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,611 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,611 | I am wrapping up things on my 41 with a 235, I need to do a total exhaust system. What size pipe should I use? Dave I finally got some time to get some measurements. The critical measurements for the muffler are: inlet 2.00 inches ID, and outlet 1.75 OD. So it looks like the exhaust pipe OD should be 2.00 inches, and the tailpipe ID should be 1.75 inches (I think that would be 1.875 tubing). For fun, here are some images of a reproduction muffler a military vendor made from my original. He got a manufacture in Canada to reproduce a small run of these mufflers. The repro is attached to the exhaust pipe. I believe he is asking $100 per muffler if you are interested. [img]http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/3285/medium/IMG_62632.JPG[/img]Here is an image of the reproduction muffler installed. I will need to get the tail pipe made locally as I have never found a suitable reproduction for my application. [img]http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/3285/medium/IMG_62901.JPG[/img]Paul | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 | Nice reproduction, couldn't tell it from the one in the box, cept for the finish. Did they use aluminized or galvanized sheet?? Gotta hand it to you guys that tackle that big iron. I don't have any heavy equipment to handle that big of a restoration. Fun looking project and thanks for the pixs Paul.
Where bout's in NC are you at, or did I ax you that before??? dg
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