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Hey all, sorry for another brake question but as I have been reading and searching through the threads, I haven't seen enough to confirm to myself that I am moving in the right direction here.

Truck is a 1968 C50. Brakes are of the standard issue variety with a single pot master under the hood. The master is bolted to the brake booster which is bolted to the firewall.

Last year I found the master cylinder to be failing (booster was half full of brake fluid) so I replaced it and could never get a pedal back. The truck sat over the winter and spring and I have picked back up on it this week. After days of frustration with literally no pedal, I spent about half a day with a vacuum pump bleeding the heck out of the brakes.

The good news: I have somewhat of a pedal and the truck WILL stop. This is a major advancement from earlier in the week when it was doing a whole bunch of nothing.

The bad news: The pedal is actuating the brakes really low to the floor and a couple seconds after the truck has stopped the pressure seems to bleed off and the truck will roll again if I do not put the parking brake on.

I had to throw in the towel for today but the fact that the brakes are doing something is a positive (at least in my book.

My questions:

I want to do another round of vaccuum bleeding. That's a good idea, right?

I am assuming that the shoes need adjusting to get the pedal to "pick up" earlier and get said shoes against the drums and working to slow me down. With limited time I was fishing around with a slightly wimpy slotted screw driver to try and move the adjusters but had no luck. I am hoping the right tool will do me better.

The pressure bleed freaks me out and I should note, when that happens, the pedal is on the floorboard. It isn't bleeding the pressure and causing the pedal to drop....it is all the way there already.

I have seen a couple guys that talked about installing a residual pressure valve. I am contemplating this fix if you all think that the valve in the rebuild Midland (PN 300358) master is not working.

Thanks everyone!

Brian

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First, you have to get the shoes adjusted before you will have a full pedal. I run them up until I cannot turn the drum with a bar between the lug studs, then back off a tad until the drum will turn with a slight drag.
As to bleeding, I trust the old fashion way. Have someone to pump and hold the pedal while I bleed.
After these 2 procedures you should have a good pedal. Unless the shoes or drums are worn out.


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Hy Brian Lohnes, did you bench bleed the master cylinder before installing it on the truck? I assume that the master cylinder is the Midland long small diameter one, is that correct?

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Did you replace the vacuum booster,as well? You may have a split in the diaphragm,which will cause the booster to fill with brake fluid. I agree with Old G.M.C. Gold-you'll need to get your shoes adjusted to gain pedal. I'd do it the way he suggests. Brakes can be a ROYAL P.I.T.A.!! "Hang in there...We're all pullin' for ya!" (Quote from "Red Green")


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Hey fellas!

First off, thanks all for the advice.

I will follow Old's advice on adjusting the shoes. I did bench bleed master and it is the Midland small diameter master. Wet, I have pulled apart and rebuilt the booster. All good there!

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Sounds like a shoe adjustment should get you to a good pedal,and fine brakes,as long as your rear hub seals don't leak. Grease on the brake shoes will act like a "No Brake" situation. the "Steers" will grab,but that may swing your rear around,on gravel,or wet/icy pavement! I'd play it safe,and pull the hubs,(ALL),and check the wheel cylinders/shoes. More work,but better than having an accident. GOOD LUCK!!

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