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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 | I mess around with T5 transmissions and own several. They seem to be affordable and re-buildable. They can be modified for many applications. I'll get right to the point. Using a Jeep 10 spline T5 input shaft in place of the stock S10 input shaft is a BEAUTIFUL solution and IMPROVEMENT to the T5 for use in old trucks. Read more background below. Jeep IS on right - S10 shaft on left Jeep shaft marked at 8.75" Jeep shaft in place (Since this is a trial fitment, I did not install a bearing on the Jeep shaft). Jeep shaft installed with bearing retainer with a shorter sleeve. My 10 spline clutch package matches I think I have the clutch disc on backwards, but you understand. Last night I did a swap that I read about here on the Stovebolt. I don't know who to give credit to, but this is a really nice solution to an old problem. The S10 T5 has an input shaft that is about 5/8" too long to use in an older Chevy truck with the V8 bell housing. Another problem is that the S10 IS splines are not cut very far along the length of the shaft. To overcome these 2 problems, different vendors have designed adapter plates to back the T5 away from the bell about 1/2". That solves the problem. Buy an S10 T5 + adapter plate + an Astro van clutch kit and you pretty much have what you need. The Jeep shaft swap idea has several advantages over the adapter plate. 1. New Jeep shaft and bearing is less than $90 (Adapter plate is $160) 2. Use the original 10 spline clutch kit. No Astro van kit to search for. 3. The Jeep shaft is thicker (i.e. stronger) than the S10 shaft. 4. Will work with all S10 T5s with 21 gear teeth, even a WC T5 if you use a brass blocker ring. 5. This works because the splines on the Jeep shaft are cut further along the length of the shaft than the S10 splines. I plan to do a DIY thread on my BLOG. More later.
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| | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 | Where is the shifter located on Jeep T-5, compared to the S-10 T-5?
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 | Where is the shifter located on Jeep T-5, compared to the S-10 T-5? I really don't know where the Jeep shifter is located. I'm not sure what you're getting at. This swap uses a brand new Jeep input shaft, available for about $70, but nothing else from the Jeep T5. Please help me understand what concern you have.
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,094 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,094 | Lugnutz is just changing the input shaft.
This means you don't need an adapter plate or you don't have to shorten the input shaft and the collar that the throwout bearing rides on.
Tommy 59 apache 1/2t 261 short stepside | | | | | Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 4,504 Moderator, Electrical Bay | | Moderator, Electrical Bay Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 4,504 | It should be a good solution--especially from the clutch standpoint. The Astro van clutch came in 2 sizes...9 1/8 inch and 11 inch. I've had two clutch guys tell me they would be happy to never see or sell another one of the 9 1/8 inch clutches. From their comments, it sounds like that particular disk is bad news from the word go. One of them said you would be better advised to have the original GM part rebuilt. The 11 inch Astro model is fine but more scarce and more costly. To use the 11 inch clutch, you must locate a 235 flywheel made for an 11 inch clutch. If you live in the DFW area, you already know there aren't many around here. The original: http://tinyurl.com/na9akp9 And the 11 inch: http://tinyurl.com/ntnqcwp (prior to having it resurfaced). Jon
~ Jon 1952 1/2 ton with 1959 235 | T5 with 3.07 rear end
| | | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | Do you have a part # for the Jeep shaft? Is it available from a dealer or trans parts store? George They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | | | | Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,557 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,557 | I believe it's part #1351085008, lets see what Jay says. 1951 3100 Chevrolet1951 Chevrolet Suburban CarryallImage"A house is built with boards and beams. A home is built with love and dreams." "Look deep before you leap !!!" / "Everything is Everything" "If I say a mouse can pull a house, hitch him up"
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 | Do you have a part # for the Jeep shaft? Is it available from a dealer or trans parts store? George Different vendors sell these, including eBay. You only want a 10 spline. Don't buy a 14 spline by mistake.
I bought mine from the 1st vendor below because he spent time on the phone with me to make sure it was what I wanted. Made some measurements and called me back, etc. He deserved my business. T & B Transmission This one is on eBay and a good price. ManualTransmissionPart.com AllstateGear Morris 4X4 Center Quadratec 4WD.com BowTieTim reminded me that there is a Tech Tip Article about the Jeep shaft swap. I had read through it more than a year ago but didn't think it would apply to me because I don't have a foot pedal starter. Others folks deserve credit, not me. I'm just documenting it with some photos.
The part number listed in the article is 1351085008. A Google search using that number will get several hits. | | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 | Where is the shifter located on Jeep T-5, compared to the S-10 T-5? I really don't know where the Jeep shifter is located. I'm not sure what you're getting at. This swap uses a brand new Jeep input shaft, available for about $70, but nothing else from the Jeep T5. Please help me understand what concern you have. All I am getting at is asking a question about a Jeep T-5 for off-topic purposes without violating the policy. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I am looking into a 4X4 T-5 for a 235, and I need to know where the shifter will come through the floor. Sorry about the vagueness of my original inquiry. Carl
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 | All I am getting at is asking a question about a Jeep T-5 for off-topic purposes without violating the policy. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I am looking into a 4X4 T-5 for a 235, and I need to know where the shifter will come through the floor. Sorry about the vagueness of my original inquiry. Carl OK, this answer should be pretty close. The T5 case front to back is 9.25". The Jeep shifter base plate is longer than the S10/Camaro style. So making allowances for that and without explaining all of my math, the Jeep shifter stick should be centered about 14" behind the front surface of the case. Camaro and S10 shifter location S10 diagram Jeep T5 S10 shifter box Jay
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| | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,951 | I found this chart with a Google search. It says Jeep shifter is 329.4mm behind the front of the case. 329.4/25.4 = 12.97" T5 chart with measurements Jay | | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,298 |
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 | Bringing back an old thread I'm sure, I've ready through this but I'm still a little unsure on the application on this ..
Will the T5 with these mods to it be a direct bolt in minus I'm sure some cross member issues and the shifter being in a different location for a 1952/216 3100 Chevy Pick up that already has a 4SPD, which is the original one. It has an open drive train, and I'd really like to keep the starter on the floor where it is.
First post, I've been lurking for some time though, lots of good information to be had here. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide | | | | | Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 15 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 15 | I have completed this tranny swap and can provide you additional information. Can you PM me your email address and where are you located in FL? I'm in Jacksonville. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 | Well apparently I need to post a few more times before being able to PM. So this would be number 2. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 | 49nut
I could put my email address here if that would work??
I'm located middle of the state, near Orlando | | | | | Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 15 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 15 | | | | | | Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 5 | Email: [email protected]Thank you for the help | | | | | Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 15 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 15 | | | |
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