Tony M, I heard that Charlie the painter went to work for Chip Foose and is working on some big project. Who knows, Bluebear will probably end up there too. I thought that Bluebear was right standing up for what he believed was true to a real rat rod and not wanting to box his frame the way that Boyd wanted him too, but he should have just bowed out of the project in stead of disrespecting Boyd the way he did and putting the other guys in the middle. I still think most of this stuff is scripted though. Whatever, I still watch these shows for the fabrication part of it and to see the final product.