Just to add a wrench to the mix. Hobart just came out with the Handler 210, Yes Handler 210. It is the same size as the 187 but 210amp, only 30% duty vs. 40% with the Ironman 210 but all the same other specs. Oh did I say just got mine Fedex Tuesdays and love it. Can't beet the Hobart. I payed $899.00. no tax no shipping. That alot cheaper that the Ironman210/250, Miller 210,250 and just a little bit more than the 180/187 but you can weld 3/8 one pass when you need it. Just my two cents.