I'll 2nd Dennys' take Robin - doesn't hurt to have your safety warnings in a thread that merits it, and no one with sense is faulting you for declaring that you wouldn't do it, and advise against it .... OTOH you should understand the guys who have extensive experience with it are still pounding the keyboard .... and advising caution as well ohwell

Bill

Moved over to the Passing Lane

"When we tug a single thing in nature, we find it attached to the rest of the world" ~ John Muir
"When we tug a single thing on an old truck, we find it falls off" ~ me
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