i bought a "advantage lift " last summer at"good guys in des moines show " 11,000 # 4 post lift -I REALLY LIKE IT !!! looked for years -my knees are so bad !! anyway it was a extra tall & wide ! i also bought the big air over axle lift and a small bag lift -both are very handy -and i have no problem doing any thing on the rack !! maybe the only draw back is -the 2 post lifts -do lift the vehicle bodies off very easy !! you know the 4 post set-up does not bother me on floor space taken up ?? it always seemed like there was something setting there all the time anyway -plus i got an extra parking spot for a truck or car !!plus i have layed a piece of pltwood down and used it for a big lay-out and paint table !! go -online and punch in "advantage lifts " lots of pics/videos-tech help-mine was bought from the company in the minneapolis -st. paul minn area ,my son bought a 90000# lift from "greg smitth" warehouse in grimes iowa -its nice a little thinner steel and posts are smaller BUT IT WAS A $2600.00 LIFT & BEING LOCAL TO DES MOINES IA. AREA -no shipping !!