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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 | Greetings Stovebolters I have a 1958 261-CID inline in my 1954 3100. When I first fire it up my pressure gauge registers around 15#s. What bothers me is it doesn't show much at all on the gauge after I run it a bit and its warmed up. I had a guy down at my local parts store tell me that an oil pump either works or it doesn't work - no in between. I am having a hard time believing this. What the possibility that my oil pump is failing. The engine doesn't burn any oil and the engine produces 130-135#s compression when I tested it. It is a used engine I lucked into. I would appreciate your comments Walt Williams La Verkin, UT ================================================ It turned out to be a bad oil pump. I made this determination after finding out that there is a pressure release valve on the oil pump and after checking the the #2 main bearing with plastigage and found I have .002 clearance. The truck now maintains a solid 30#s while cruising, and after the engine is heated up it will still drop down while waiting at a stop light but not to zero and it no longer starts making bizarre noises while waiting for the traffic light to change. This behavior matches my 54 Chevy sedan. Thanks for all the great tips. Walt Williams La Verkin, UT Photo of Franky, my truck
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | more likely to be a gauge inaccuracy or some internal problem than a worn pump - have you tapped in a good test gauge? .... but it's not a major job to replace the pump and find out
Bill | | | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | What the guy told you was wrong. Oil pumps do wear and can cause low pressure. However, this is not a comment on your situation.
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| | | | | Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 | I would bet on loose bearing clearances.
See the USA in your vintage Chevrolet! My Blog | | | | | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,513 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,513 | I would bet on loose bearing clearances. X2. I would expect bearing shell babbitt to wear a lot faster than hardened gears.
1952 1300 Canadian 1/2 ton restomod You Tube | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | I vote on the worn bearings.
A marginal pump might give 15# readings with thicker/cold oil and lower readings with thinner/warm oil.
My Suburban's 1954 engine had the same symptoms but the culprit was worn bearings.
| | | | | Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 Crusing in the Passing Lane | | Crusing in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 | Depending on the engine history, if it was rebuilt, were the cam brgs. replaced? As was said above-stick another guage in the block.
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| | | | | Joined: May 2008 Posts: 84 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: May 2008 Posts: 84 | Just had similar problem with my 235. I dropped the pan and did see evidence of worn bearings. I changed to heavier oil and pressure is consistent now. | | | | | Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,971 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,971 | I had a similar problem years ago with a 235 that would not hold oil pressure after warmed up. It turned out to be cam bearings - too worn.
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| | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 253 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 253 | It's interesting that this thread has come up now as my 261 is dropping oil pressure. It starts out with 50 psi cold and when hot gives me a healthy 15 -20 psi but at low idle it will suddenly drop to 0, I'll shut the engine off restart it and it will show 15-20 again. I have my fingers crossed that it's the gauge and it will be the first thing I replace with a quality unit but it has me a little worried right now. I don't think too large bearing clearances would cause an intermittent problem like this but what else besides the gauge could it be?
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1945 Chevrolet G 506 1.5 Ton Military 4X4 1967 Jeep Cj5 with 283 SBC
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 233 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 233 | The oil pressure regulator is the only thing thst comes to my mind. If it is sticking as the volume drops, as speed drops to idle, then it will drop the pressure as you described. Bearing clearances do NOT change for a restart.
1953 Chevy 3100 261 and SM420 53Chevy 31001953 Mack Firetruck 1972 Porsche 911 1986 Honda Goldwing
| | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 253 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 253 | The oil pressure regulator is the only thing thst comes to my mind. If it is sticking as the volume drops, as speed drops to idle, then it will drop the pressure as you described. Bearing clearances do NOT change for a restart. So would that be the bypass valve in the filter canister housing? I cleaned it really well a while back but the parts are old, are replacement parts available?
1945 Chevrolet G 506 1.5 Ton Military 4X4 1967 Jeep Cj5 with 283 SBC
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | If you want to eliminate the full-flow filter unit from this consideration, disconnect the hoses from the unit and get a fitting that allows the two hoses to connect to each other (or, make a long hose to run from input to output holes in the block). Of course, keep the oil pressure sender connected somewhere in this temporary set-up.
| | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 253 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 253 | TC.......That's a good idea, would removing the spring and plunger out of the valve give me the same thing?
All of this for test purposes as I'd really like to keep the full flow filtering.
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| | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | sleeve,
I also like the full flow filtering unit.
I have not taken apart the head on the 261's full-flow filter. I'd try what you describe if it looks like you'll get unobstructed flow. Maybe also take out the filter?
My guess is that spring/plunger is a safety by-pass, in the case of the filter clogging and stopping flow?
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 | | | | | | Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 | I have discovered that not all 261s are full flow filtering systems. Mine is a bypass system like the 235 in my 54 sedan. And there doesn't seem to be anyway to change it to be a full filtered system.
Walt | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | 1954-1957 USA 261 truck engines use a by-pass oil filter 1958-1963 USA 261 truck engines use a full-flow oil filter All USA 261 engines had mechanical (solid) lifters
All Canadian 261 engines (car/Pontiac and truck) use a by-pass oil filter (all years) All Canadian car/Pontiac 261 engines had hydraulic lifters.
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 202 | tclederman
According to my casting number on my 261 is a 1958 engine and yet it seem to be strictly a bypass filter engine and has solid lifters. (My 261 is in my 54 pickup.)
Is there a way to check if my engine is a Canadian engine?
Walt Williams La Verkin, UT | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | Post the engine serial number.
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