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#927808 03/15/2013 9:41 PM
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I'm new to this forum and am asking for some informed opinions and advice. I have a 53 GMC 1/2 ton 228 with hydramatic. The engine needs rebuilt. I would like to replace it with a 302. I really want to keep a six cyl and hydro.
Questions: Will a 302 fit the mounts and hydro?
Are 302s readily available?

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270s and 302 can be found but they are harder to come by then 235s or 216s.

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A 302 will bolt right in. If it has side mounts you will need to replace the mount plate on front to use your mounts.

Also, the 228 most likely has a 4 bolt crank and the 302 a 6 bolt. You'll need to find a 6 bolt torus cover for the Hydra-Matic.

Both these problems are easily overcome and well worth the effort.


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I'm getting convinced to go with a 302 if I can find one. My 228 has the front center pad so mounting the 302 shouldn't be too messy. I hope. What is this torus cover you mentioned?

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Instead of a torque converter the Hydra-Matic uses a torus. You'll have to get the Hydra-Matic experts to tell you how it works. Anyway, the cover to it mates to the crankshaft.


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Here is information on the 1954 GMC Hydra-Matic. The 1953 GMC Hydra-Matic is very similar.

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are you staying six volt or converting it to 12?

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I would like to stay with 6 volt. The truck is totally complete with only the radio missing. The 228 is frozen and if it is not rebuildable I thought of going to a 302 for the power advantages yet maintain the same appearance to a non purist.

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By easy to solve do you mean that a 6 bolt torus can be found for a reasonable price? This is my first old truck rebuild and I have soooo much to learn.
Will my newly rebuilt 228 starter fit the 302 bell housing and flywheel? Just a bunch of stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by John Redding
I'm getting convinced to go with a 302 if I can find one.
Is your truck titled using the engine number? Many, if not most, pre '56 vehicles were. If so you'll need to re-title your truck following the swap. We got LOTS of questions about titling problems for that very reason (engine swaps without retitling). People buy a truck and can't find the "VIN" that's on the title anywhere on it.


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A torus cover from a '54-55.1 248 will be 6 bolt and will mesh with a 6V starter. If you get a later cover you will need a 12V starter.


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That's a good point about the title. I am in the middle of the title process now wherein a police officer has to verify the engine number. I will probably keep the old 228 around for the inspection process to validate the old title then use the new engine number on the new title.

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If it were me, I'd see if you can get the Chassis Serial Number put on the title to end the problem with swapping motors and not having the title match.

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