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#88724 05/28/2002 4:55 AM | Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 Member | | Member Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 | I tore into the electrical system for my son's new '55 1st GMC today. Surprise!!! It has two 6 volt batteries. They are wired in series providing 12 volts to the starter, head/tail lights, alternator, and ignition system. The system is then half tapped (only one of the batteries used)to provide 6 volts to the cab, dash, instruments and heater. :rolleyes: I mean, this is really clever stuff, and I can't think of any theoretical reason it shouldn't work just fine. I expect its going to take me a full day to modify the standard wiring diagram to reflect the changes though -- and to confirm that he did it right.
It seems to work very well. Everything seems to operate just fine with the sole exception of the horn (any wire having anything to do with the horn is swinging in the breeze). Maybe he got that far and was finally stumped.
Has anyone ever done this before? Has anyone ever HEARD of this before? Can anybody think of any reason I shouldn't just finish the horn and leave it alone?
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#88725 05/29/2002 4:19 AM | Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,897 Member | | Member Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,897 | Sounds like an interesting set-up.I would like to know more.WHere are the batteries mounted? Do you have any pictures?
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#88726 05/29/2002 5:20 AM | Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 346 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 346 | Hardwareguy,
In the days of tar-top batteries, it wasn't unheard of to actually run a screw through the top into the internal connector between the middle two cells of a 12-volt battery. Voila, 6-volt tap for instruments with 12-volts for everything else.
'38 Chevy 1-1/2 ton '49 Chevy 1/2 ton '54 Chevy 6400 2 ton '55.2 GMC 3/4 ton '56 GMC 1-ton
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#88727 05/29/2002 5:48 AM | Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 346 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 346 | Hardwareguy,
Got to thinking about where I heard about the tapped battery trick.
A trip to my 'library' reveals a nice article in Petersen's complete book of Engine Swapping No. 4 (published in 1975) about so-called 'dual systems'. One uses the tapped battery, another uses the dual 6-volt batteries, and still another uses a 'special electrical conversion relay system' that included directions and a self-tapping screw for making the 6-volt 'pick-up terminal' in the middle of a 12-volt battery.
Kinda depressing looking at that book, I remember buying it new and now it's 27 years old!
'38 Chevy 1-1/2 ton '49 Chevy 1/2 ton '54 Chevy 6400 2 ton '55.2 GMC 3/4 ton '56 GMC 1-ton
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#88728 05/29/2002 4:28 PM | Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 Member | | Member Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 | Mechainaic, don't have any pictures but the first battery is in the battery box and the second is mounted on the inner fender on the passenger side near the firewall. The ground cable connects to the terminal in the box and the other terminal connects to the battery in the engine compartment. Those are the only connections in the battery box. Everything else then connects to one or the other of the terminal on the battery depending on whether it needs 6v or 12v.
OlBlue, I'm going to look for that book, maybe in the public library? The book is surely out of print but who is the publisher anyway? I'ts really straightforward and I can't imagine that drawing it out is going to be much trouble but I'd love to do a little research before I get started on the electrical plan. The screw in the battery trick is wonderful. Kind of obvious (once it's said). I'm surprised someone doesn't make a "half tap battery" providing even a screw terminal access to 6 volts. Then again, maybe they do. | | |
#88729 05/30/2002 12:01 AM | Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14 Member | | Member Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14 | They do make 6/12 volt batteries; some of the vendors carry them though I can't recall exactly who off the top of my head. I can look if you're interested.
Barrett Revis '53 3105 '48 3105 The fewer the moving parts, the less there is to go wrong... | | |
#88730 05/31/2002 6:45 AM | Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 Member | | Member Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 | I'm not likely to be changing too must real soon but if you run across them I would appreciate an email. thanks, jerry | | |
#88731 05/31/2002 12:47 PM | Joined: May 2002 Posts: 32 Member | | Member Joined: May 2002 Posts: 32 | Are you guys thinking about the 6/12 batteries from www.antiqueautobattery.com ? I was thinking about these myself, leave the wiring as 6 volt and run some new accessories off the 12 volt portion of the battery.
MbOutdoors (Lorne) 1952 Chev 1300
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#88732 05/31/2002 7:16 PM | Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 206 Member | | Member Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 206 | My GMC had two batteries installed by PO. 6V under floor, 12V on the firewall. To start the truck, he connected the batteries with jumper cables. | | |
#88733 06/01/2002 7:20 PM | Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 Member | | Member Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 36 | Mb specifically, the "12/6" battery they show would be how my system is set up, only with two 6v batteries instead of one 12v with a half tap. The rig appears to have been "converted" to 12 volt but the accessories were left as 6 volt. I'll know more when I have time to draw it all out. | | |
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