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Hey guys,...been looking around for another project after the '28 and later a 59 Apache deal feel through....
I spotted this IHC about 1994 thinking it was a one ton and this Saturday FINALLY got someone who could tell me about it.

Turns out its a 1949-51, not sure which. The metal is absolutely straight on it. While sitting over the years someone took the rear wheels off so there is not rims. It was a "peach orchard" truck so they probably used them somewhere else.

Is there any rims that you know of that might interchange from a later model??

I'm calling the owner this week and want to know how bad they may be to find.
OH, its a "L" series and I think a 1 1/2 or a 2 ton. I remember it being a 150 series(?)
Thanks for any comments.

Hy Achipmunk, could you give us non "Binder" experts some more clues please, Budds, Motors, or Dayton wheels, number of studs? Twenty inch tires, eighteen inch tires, twenty two and a half inch tires? Bolt circle of studs? Please Alvin some more info is required to help you, give us some clues from the wheels/tires that remain on the truck.

I don't suppose they'd let you post a picture? I love old Binders too!

Check out the forums on www.oldihc.org They might have the info you're looking for.

I have an S-150 and an AC 150. Both of those have 5 hole Budd wheels.

If you buy it, I've got a stack of late 40's, early 50's IHC service manuals out in the shop.

Thank ya'll for coming to my rescue.
Bobb, I sure wish I had noted such stuff. However it was late and it was sitting in a grove of shady trees. I do know it is at least 8 lugs. I suspect it may be a 2ton. I'll get more info.

Thanks for the link Rich. I'll check it out.

Spanky, I will certainly keep it in mind....also, I may be heady down by your way in a month or so. If so I'll let you know and maybe we can get a hot dog!!

I am leaving in a few minutes to go meet my daughter in Gaffney and will go by the place it is sitting. I will stop and take a few notes....I may be reacting to soon as the guy may not even want to talk to me about it. We'll see but thanks to you guys I know more about it now than I did a few days ago. Thank you.

Hmmm? Eight lugs on an IHC 1.5 or 2 ton doesn't add up. Especially if it's an L-150 or R-150. About all of them have the 5 lug x 8" stud piloted pattern used by Ford, Dodge, and M15/16 series Studebakers from the '40s before they adopted the GMC hub piloted wheels. A lot of the L-150s came with 17" Budds, and 20" were optional. Nice thing about IHCs, they just about all used Goodyear style split lock ring rims. I've never come across any with widow makers. Stu McMillan

If 5 on 8", there are tubeless rims out there(not common) that will bolt on.

Right. Budd #89340 is a 19.5"' x 6" tubeless that works well. This wheel in combo with an 8R19.5" tire is a near perfect match to the 7.50 x 17" tube type that would have been stock. Stu

Check out oldihc.org or Binder Planet, lots of useful information on old Internationals. I've got a 51 L112 and love it!

-Mike-

Well, I do have "some" more info. It is defintely a L-150 Series and I was WRONG about the number of lugs. It does have 5 lug 8" pattern. I failed to note the size of the front tire but seriously figure it had 17" Budds on it.

I looked for the seial # but didn't see it on the drivers door or door jam. I would have took more time but the "ol lady" was on my back and not very friendly about answering questions. However, I did get some more information on contacting the owner, or supposed to be owner!

So, as I understand it, Rims, and tires, for the 5 lug 8" pattern can be found....even from other makes of trucks.

..with this info L-150...5 lug on 8" pattern, 17" wheels, what would you say it is. A ton, ton/half or 2 ton??

Thanks guys.

An L-150 with 17s would probably have Budd #59340s. I've searched IH sources for these because they are the wheels I use on my Marmon-Herringtons. They have Goodyear 5" wide "LW" split locking ring rims.

It's a ton and one half. If you buy it, and find that the wheels are junk as so often is the case, replacement 17s are pretty easy to find if you are ok with the later 6" wide variety. The 17" x 6" Budd #66520 wheel was used by IHC on later models, and was especially used by Dodge on their 60s and 70s era motor homes. The rim is a Goodyear "LBW" split ring design. New 7.50 x 17" tires are made by STA and are available from Universal Tire, Coker, and probably Lucas and Miller too. Stu

As mentioned, the 150 series is a 1 1/2 ton. Both of mine had the 17" wheels. On one of mine, I put a set of 20's on that came from another junked truck.

19.5's as above, also, 22.5's, not common.

Sooo, Alvin--did you ever get the Binder?

Actually, I'm still working on it. I've had problems finding the guys address and phone number. I know what state/town he lives in but I had to go back and ask some more questions over at the peach shed. Should have an answer by this weekend.

....along the same lines I have a bolter buddy who is offering me a 52 Studebaker car and its decision time. Heck, maybe I can get both?? lol
Thanks for asking,Rich. Its not a dead issue yet.

My KB-5 has those wheels and tires, supposed to be 1.5 ton, don't have GVW handy. KB-5's also came w/ 700 X 20's. 19.5's might be a bit small for looks, 22'5's might not fit the wheel wells properly, would give better road speed, however.

Highest ring and pinion ratio was 5.38 for 17" tires, no parts, I replaced the IHC rear axle w/ a Dana 70, 3.73 ratio, from a Ford, correct spring spacing, made new top shock brackets, made wheel adapters to use original wheels(17".) Good radio for direct trans. w/ 345 engine, a little high for heavy load(trailer.) Can drive 70 on highway, 60 more comfortable, stock front brakes.

An 8R19.5" tire will have nearly the same outside diameter as a 7.50x17" tube type. The bias ply 17" will be about 34" O/D, while the 19.5" will be around 33.5". If you go with the 225/70R19.5s they will be shorter, in the 32" range. A 9R22.5" will be about 38" tall, which is just about the same as an 8.25 x 20" tube type. Your 7.00 x 20s will be a good bit shorter, though, probably in the 36"-37" range.

Another good replacement rear axle is a Dana 70 from a '70s era Dodge motor home. They have the same stud piloted 5 lug x 8" pattern as the old IHCs and can be fitted with a wide range of gear sets. This would eliminate the need for wheel adapters. Stu

The 22.5 wheels and tires were designed to be replacements for the 20" wheels.

A 7.50x20 would be replaced with a 8.25x22.5, a 8.25x20 would be replaced with a 9.00x22.5...the diameter is the same when you do this.

Mike B