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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 229 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 229 | i have seen these heat sink type tranny coolers and have wondered if anybody has used them. also wondering if a guy can get by mounting one between the running board brackets under the truck. open to any discussion on these if you have any experience or opinion. thanks MO
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | 10 bucks cheaper direct from Jegs  I'm planning on a "tube and fin" type from Derale for use with a 700R4 I'd be leery of using a cooler that's unrated [for vehicle/towing weight], especially if it's not in addition to one already built into the rad - at minimum you need to have a trans temp gauge to keep an eye out for overheating, which is the single biggest killer of automatics Bill | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 | The guys at performabuilt.com recommend using a tube & fin cooler instead of the in-radiator one. They furnish one with their trannies. Their reasoning is twofold. 1. The in-radiator cooler actually heats up the trans because of the high engine heat. 2. The in-radiator cooler is full of trash from the failed trans you took out.
I'd recommend adding a trans temp gauge and watching for overheating no matter what cooler you pick.
regards, Leon | | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | #1 is a fallacy Leon, the trans temp needs to be in a range that's about the same as coolant temp, having a cooler in the rad insures the trans doesn't run too cool as well as too hot .... the factory wouldn't put the effort into combining the cooling functions if it was a bad idea, and note that the oil cooler is located on the cold end of the rad, measurably cooler than engine thermostat temp .... for #2 if you've blown a trans and don't flush the cooling lines thoroughly you'll have a learning experience  external fluid to air coolers are primarily additions for heavier use, like towing or racing, as a standalone cooler the one mo links would appear to me inadequate Bill | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 | Bill,
I was paraphrasing the content from Performabilt's website. I also tend to think that the quick warm-up should help the trans and I know that, in general, liquid to liquid heat exchangers work better that liquid to air heat exchangers.
Interestly, Performabilt is the only trans company I know of that extends their normal warranty to trans used for racing. Maybe their encouragement of the use of separate coolers, and providing them, has been something that helps to reduce the number of failures they have to deal with under warranty due to dirty in-radiator coolers.
Also interesting is their opinion of heat damage to auto trans. They seem much less concerned with it than I expected to read.
IMHO, you're giving GM way too much credit for doing the right thing on purpose. Even the old GM, that designed and built our beloved Stovebolts. I'm a 33-yrs exp Avionics design engineer. My entire career has been a struggle between my desire to build the best systems I can and the company's push to build the cheapest system that meets the schedule. I know it's not the same market, but I find it hard to imagine that automotive is significantly different.
regards, Leon
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | Leon - for sure the designs in the stovebolt era were 99% lowest cost, but cheapest vs best is a trade off, and sometimes may be fixed upon by accident .... Ford in 99 changed from a rad trans cooler to a separate one in at least some trucks, was it better or were they trying to save a few bucks? - in 2000 they switched back after dealing with too many fried transmissions  my understanding of the heat problem is the more rapid breakdown of the trans oil to the point of no longer lubricating properly - all the info I've seen indicates a "useful lifetime" of the oil for a range of temperatures and recommendations for changing fluid vary with observed operating temps - I've been researching this extensively, which is why I recommend a temp gauge and paying attention to it the primary project I'm concerned with is a 4L80 in a highway coach that way predates in-rad trans coolers - it will have generous standalone cooling with thermal controls for cold bypass, which some aftermarket coolers offer and can be had separately - my concern with the linked cooler is the lack of a GVW rating, while there are a number of companies offering a similar design/size, none seem to have a rating specified - I'd consider a cooler like that as a supplement, and there are a lot of rated tube and fin coolers that are shaped appropriately for frame rail [or running board] mounting Bill | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,814 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,814 | Bill, you're giving excellent advice to someone with his mind already made up. In other words, you're packing sand down a rathole. Let him fry a few transmissions with that Mickey Mouse cooler, and the next time you offer an experienced opinion, maybe it will be more welcome. Don't count on that happening, though! Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 324 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 324 | Sounds like these things are going to be the cause of blowing many 700r4 Transmissions. I would think that the Engineering research & development on these finned coolers should have some applications & ratings? If not, why are they being sold & installed? I read somewhere that the transmission temp. should be kept around 175 deg Fahrenheit to properly cool the fluid. My project is strictly a cruiser,170 hp 4.3 v6 700r4, absolutely no racing involved. Would appreciate knowing, if anyone out there is using one of these on your ride.
| | | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 229 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 229 | i guess i wont use the heat sink and stick to the cooler in my radiator. the reason i asked you guys for an opinion is i didnt know if it would work well enough to cool the trans properly. i am not a trans guy. i just liked the sink so i didnnt have to run cooler lines all the way to the front of the frame. i also agree with the problem of radiator coolers getting plugged after a burnt tranny. we always replaced the radiator along with the tranny on suggestion from the tranny shop along with flushing the lines. when we installed a rebuilt or new tranny in a customers car. just to make sure there was no problems with them. thanks for the advice. MO
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| | | | | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 | A always flush the cooler before installing a rebuilt transmission. Haven't had any problems doing that. | | |
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