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#814357 01/08/2012 2:42 AM
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I just painted cab with base coat clear coat.
about 65 degree in shop now. windows and doors covered. my question is could I put a small electric heater inside cab to heat or will heating the metal from the back side cause a problem. thanks scott

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Clears do like heat but the mixture usually accounts for the right temp. Some paints/clears recommend extra heat. It's obviously too late now but safety is also one thing to keep in mind for next time. Any open flame or heat source that is not made for this application can be very dangerous. These paints are extremely flammable and can cause an explosion from the fumes. Exhaust fans are also a concern as there can be a small but deadly spark especially when turning on or off. They make special fans for painting that eliminate this danger. And isocynates in the base coat/clear coat systems are very bad to breath. A "fresh air" system is recommended, not just a resperator. There is no filter that is rated for isocynates,that I know of, for resperators. I don't mean to preach or go on about this stuff but there is much more to painting than the average person knows.


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Panhead59 #815130 01/10/2012 4:18 PM
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3M makes a full and half mask charcoal filter respirator rated for isocyanates. Just make sure it is fitted properly (do inhale and exhale tests as directed), new(ish) and you will be fine. Always helpful to maximize ventilation whenever working with paints and solvents.

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When I did my schoolin', we were taught that only air-supplied respirators (full-face) are appropriate for iso paints. You also get exposure from any exposed skin.

Basically, what Panhead59 said.

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Mr. Lang #815441 01/11/2012 3:46 PM
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Yeah, not to be argumentive, but u gotta prove the 3m iso filters exist. I have NEVER seen them. Maybe they are new. Sure beats the $600 fresh air system!!! I'd like to know where u can buy them if anyone knows.


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TC23C and TC23C/84A for 3M 6000

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Here are 3M Q&A about isocyanates:

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Can I use organic vapour filters with isocyanate based compounds?
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The levels at which isocyanate can be detected by smell or taste are considerably higher than the Maximum Exposure Limit (MEL) as set by the HSE. There would be no indication of smell/taste that 'breakthrough' had occurred until an exposure higher than the MEL.

The safe solution would be to use an air fed system which supplies breathable quality air to the wearer rather than filtering out airborne contaminants. The 3M™ Visionair or S-200 Air Fed Systems could be considered for this type of application.
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What respirator do I need when painting ?
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As there are so many different types of paint in common use it is very difficult to suggest one product for everything.

The main problems are vapours from the organic solvent carriers and particulates in the form of pigments and spray mist. In most cases brush or roller applying paint is less hazardous than spraying since a lesser amount of pigment and vapour will become airborne. We suggest the following filter selections for the more commonly occuring paint application groupings :

Powder coating – particulate filters or supplied air, depending on levels of contaminant.
Water based – particulate filters often combined with nuisance level organic vapour protection when low levels of solvent are present.
Solvent based with good warning properties – organic vapour & particulate filters.
2-pack isocyanate based – a minimum of a supplied air visor .

For specific product selection, please contact the 3M Health & Safety Helpline .
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isocyanates are bad for our health - bad when inhaled and bad when allowed to make contact with the skin.

tclederman #816027 01/13/2012 3:59 PM
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So there is the confusion and contradiction. 3M does sell a filter for there respirator for paints with isocynates, but recommends using a minimum of a supplied air system. Well that's something- sell one thing and recommend another. Talk about leaving yourself open for a lawsuit!!!! But I guess they've already got that one covered. Thanks- Learn somethin' every day.

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Panhead59 #818121 01/20/2012 8:37 PM
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So, I was reading the bag of my Gerson disposable respirator (Gerson 8211P) that I got at Harbor Freight. Guess what? It is also rated/approved for Isocyanates...says so right on the bag. For $16, I have to say, it is a very nice/comfortable respirator.

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I have to ask, are you going to bet your health, maybe your life on a $16 device from Harbor Freight, really?


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truckernix #818327 01/21/2012 3:32 PM
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Yep. I don't paint every day for a living, so I feel it is an acceptable risk. Just because HF sells it, does not make it junk. The Gerson respirator is a quality piece that seals very well to my face (no air leakage). The filters are NIOSH tested and approved, which gives me the comfort level of using it.

Gerson is a USA company that has been around since 1956.

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