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I saw a very original and nice 1.5 ton AD on ebay last year, it was in Montana. Very burly conversion and it appeared to have been that way for a long time, most likely upfitted when new

Sounds like Napco was making big bolt components at some point and I've also read that Marmon Herrington (usually associated with Ford) was also making components and conversions for GM trucks.

I've never seen a Marmon Herrington conversion on a GM truck, especially a big bolt. Did they ever exist?

I have a chance to get a deal on Ford MH 4wd components and am interested in swapping them into a bigbolt AD....If it was an original possibility on a Chevy I'd be a lot more motivated to start the project.

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Most of the AD '47-'54 4WD conversions when new were Coleman units. Get your hands on a Chevrolet "Silver Book" for your favorite year AD trucks, & you'll see a two page ad on them.


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I've never seen a Coleman Chevy, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Because of the tapered frame, AD trucks are hard to convert to 4x4 unless you have original gear designed for the truck. Spring perches on NAPCO axles are cast into the axle housing and they would be tough to machine off and move. I'm not sure about Coleman gear, but I assume it would be a tough swap. I'm sure the swap could be done somehow, but you would end up with a system filled with parts made of "unobtainium". If you think NAPCO parts are rare....

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Yep, Coleman is the Brand. Looking at my Chevrolet "Silver Book" for year model 1952, page 78. Shows the Advertisement for the Coleman-Chevrolet 4 wheel drive conversion. I also pulled out a 1953 GMC Truck equipment book(which is the same as the Chevrolet "Silver Book") shows a "Howe-Quad" 4X4 conversion advertisement on page 20. These books are a valuable resource for information, for available equipment, & non Factory accessories for new Chevrolet, & GMC trucks.


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I remember seeing an AD 1 ton Chevy pickup (single wheel) with Coleman conversion on ebay a number of years ago, in CO I think. It had the distinctive Coleman front hubs and used Dayton wheel adapters on the rear to match the Dayton's on the front.
If only I had money....

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Originally Posted by spanky
Chevrolet "Silver Book" for year model 1952, page 78. Shows the Advertisement for the Coleman-Chevrolet 4 wheel drive conversion.

What is the "Silver Book", I'm not familiar

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The Chevrolet "Silver Books", & GMC "Special Equipment" books were published each year showing all available equipment, & accessories for the new trucks. They show up on ebay quite often. Their's over twenty of them on ebay now, but the oldest, at the moment, is a 1958 version.


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There is a red Coleman AD PU on the N side of the road in downtown Glenwood Springs, CO., he sometimes alternates w/ a COE.


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Originally Posted by Cornerwindows
I saw a very original and nice 1.5 ton AD on ebay last year, it was in Montana.

Any Coleman Big Bolt pics would sure be great to post if anyone has some. I'm pretty sure I have pics of the ebay truck on my old computer. It was Original Paint Green and had chains on all six tires.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/44715702@N07/6742443073/in/set-72157628346845215

Found pics of the Original 4wd 48 or 49 Big Bolt

49 AD Coleman 4WD ?

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Dear god that is one bad bolt!

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Originally Posted by Cornerwindows
Found pics of the Original 4wd 48 or 49 Big Bolt

49 AD Coleman 4WD ?
Coleman?
I'd guess NAPCO first..


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•1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
•1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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NAPCO in 1948?

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George "Napco Man" has/had a 54 NAPCO 2 ton, the same kit in that truck from new could have been, and I'm sure was on occasion, bought to put in an earlier year AD truck. George has installed his gear from the 54 in a couple year older 2 ton.

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•1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
•1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
•1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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Coleman would have been the first choice of 4X4 upfit from what i've seen in Silver Books, & Service Bulletins up through 1953. Never had a 1954, or up book, so I don't know what was available from then on.


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I'm doubting it's a Coleman because it's not the characteristic Coleman front hub design, at least what can be seen from the pictures.


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•1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
•1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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In the 1954 Silver Book, Coleman advertises 4-wheel drive packages for shipping to the customer: 3/4 ton through 2 ton trucks (with single-speed rear axles only). The advertisement also shows a 4-wheel drive 1/2 ton Suburban.

Northwestern Auto Parts Company, NAPCO (in Minn.) also advertises 4-wheel drive with two speed range (same 4WD unit used in WWII military Chevrolet trucks). So, Yes, it was most likely available in 1948.

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the NAPCO site states there isn't any documented case of a Chev NAPCO conversion earlier than 1951 .... of course the one in question may have been retro-fitted with the later AD parts from either Coleman or NAPCO, no telling what it's been thru in the last 6 decades

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Maybe just on military trucks prior to 1951?

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Another possability would be a company using surplus military axles and transfer cases. I don't personally know of any company doing that with trucks from the time, but ELENCO out the Chicago area was making them for Ford (and perhaps other brands) tractors around that time frame using surplus military parts.
I also agree with Grigg, the truck pictured does not have a Coleman axle, which has a very distinct hub.


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