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I’m not a real big fan of plastic fillers in the first place but they are necessary when working with
old sheet metal that has been bent and straightened time and again. There really are limits to
what you can do with a hammer and dolly. I still prefer lead where the repair is subject to
stress such as near a hole for a fastener or a section that will flex.
Of course plastic does have it’s place and I’m finding a few on the old ’50. On the nose
of the fender right over the headlight a previous dent was punched out using a ball-peen
hammer. After bringing down the 30 or 40 nice new round dints that they made attempting to
pound out the original dent, I've got it about as flat as I'm gonna get it and
I'm gong to have to level it some with a little of the Evercoat filler.
A couple of years ago I bought a gallon of each of these Evercoat fillers:
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/138312998
What I’d like to know is what the difference between the two is and why one would be
preferred over the other.
The Rage also says that it’s a lightweight filler.

Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

marketing is the difference, all 'light weight' fillers are pretty much the same, the variation might be in how easy they sand and how well the sandpaper holds up - they likely say one or the other will 'pinhole' less, but that's more technique than product .... can't imagine why someone not big on fillers would buy 3 gallons tho', I didn't use much over a quart on daBus

and if there's any chance your catalyst has been subject to freezing temps, get some fresh

Bill

Only Two Bill, kept in the nice warm garage attached to the house also. Got two because
I think I bought the "Light Weight" can long before the Rage. And I think at the time like
most other things that they were cheaper by the gallon then they were by the quart. Heck
I just bought some PPG DAR last week for the grill and bout fell over, list was $55.75
plus the tax for a pint, at that price schedule a gallon would have been $464 rather than
the regular gallon price of $314, that's a savings of around 1/3.
I restored one small round ram 1hp Bridgeport and am restoring another dovetail 2hp
Bridgeport milling machine right now. All of Bridgeports castings since time began are as
rough as a cob or rougher in some spots. They have and still do, fill them heavily at the
factory then sand them smooth before applying that nice smooth gray paint finish they
are famous for. The first one machine was made right after WWII and the paint was in
such bad shape that it needed to be stripped down to the bare castings. It took close to
a gallon of filler to smooth out the base, knee, head and turret. That was a small machine
and the new one I've got is a much bigger machine and it two is going to take quite a bit
of filler before it's ready for the finish. So you see Bill, with out going into one of my short
stories the whole picture isn’t completely clear. That happens every time I try to truncate
the question and that’s why I try to tell a complete story most of the time and end up
posting a novel. Soooooo, all that filler is not going into the '50 as you may think, just a
little dab and as I said any where I'm not to worried about the warpage I'm using a little
dab of lead. Here’s the object of my little dab of Rage for today:
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/1950_front_fenders
Oh yeah, and here’s a picutre of where that gallon went to:
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/138319849
As usually happens, while waiting for a response I've continued to research my question
and over night I've come to the conclusion that Evercoat no longer makes the
100-156 Light Weight filler and the 100-106 Rage is the newest product. So the
100-156 was probably being phased out when I bought it several years ago.

But thanks for the comments.
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

The difference is in how it sands, spreads and prone to pinholes.
When dealing with filler its true what they say, you get what you pay for.

Evercoat's newest product is the Quantum filler, never used it but heard from several people say its a subpar product.

Anyways, I use Marson Platinum Plus. Cheaper then the Rage products and a better product to boot. I've converted several guys over to Marson.

That's a surprise Eric, many of the body shops and body men that I know in the area that do a lot of custom work swear by Rage, Rage Gold.

I've found no problem with the Rage even applying it in relatively thick layers to fill the machine castings as I mentioned to Bill. If what you say is true, i.e. "you get what you pay for" then what you're saying is that the more expensive Evercoat products are the better choice??

And continuing on with my research, I’ve found the Evercoat LiteWeight 100-156 is indeed still sold, how ever it’s listed under the Professional body fillers on Evercoat’s site and that probably explains why I haven‘t found it searching the retail vendors.
The Rage 100-106 and Rage Gold 100-112 are listed under Premium body fillers and are available all over the internet and thru body shop supplies. Those products appear to be aimed more at the retail market.
Boy this thread is sure getting out of hand considering that I’m only going to be using a few ounces of filler on the front fenders that I’m working on right now.

Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL

Denny,
Rage Gold is pretty much the collision industry standard. I've used the regular Rage for years, it's a fine product. But there is a difference in Rage and Rage Gold, Gold is just a better product, it's smoother, sands easier and clogs the paper less.

Now Evercoat also makes Rage Xtreme which higher in price then the Gold. I don't like it the viscosity is to thin for my liking. Basically the idea behind the Xtreme was to make a 1 step filler. Typically, you do your filler work say Rage then you finish it off with a poly glaze product like metal glaze because it's thinner and spreads easier.
I know guys who use nothing but Xtreme now because they don't need to do that finishing step with a poly glaze product.

I still say try the Marson. I used NOTHING but Rage Gold for years then the shops supplier brought in some Platinum Plus to try out. All 4 body techs switched to Marson. I've talked about Marson on a few other sites I visit and converted several Rage Gold guys. It's better then the Rage Gold and at a cheaper price...Eric

Yeah, I suppose for guys like you that make a living at it, the subtle differences stand out.
But like I was saying, I taint building a show truck so I won't be block sanding it to a
glass smooth straight as an arrow finish. In other words I won’t be using a putty coat and I
won’t be using a lot of it at all.
Just started out this thread to find out what the difference was in the gallon of Rage and
Lite Weight that I’ve got in the cabinet and it appears that it’s just that’s what they had on
the shelf when I went shopping and the end results in my case are gonna be just the same.
Denny Graham
Sandwich, IL