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Linked below are pictures of the front wheels and dump hoist on my 6100. The front wheels are definitely split rims. I like many of you have been very interested in replacing the front axle and associated wheels/brakes or at least hoping that someone far more gifted and knowledgeable than me solves the problem of keeping the axle beam and swapping everything from the kingpins out. Regardless, I was hoping that some of the expert eyes in the forum could take a look at the pictures and just confirm for me that they are the infamous RH5's. They appear to be in pretty good shape but I haven't ventured to try and get the tires replaced because I only have two of the wheels and I won't be able to move the truck around if they come apart and don't go back together. Also, I was told that the hoist is probably a Heil, but I have no idea if it is original, or if not what its vintage or specs are. As of yet I haven't been able to locate an identification plate on it anywhere. It works although it looks like some of the seals are leaking on both the pump and the ram. It definitely needs hydraulic fluid. My local NAPA carries hydraulic fluid in iso grades 32, 46, and 68 which would be the right one to use with the hoist? The reservoir appears to have a fill in the top. Should that be "topped" off or is there some other kind of fill procedure? Any information you can contribute will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Front Wheel

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Hoist
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Hy Grampsold54, the wheels are three piece wheels NOT RH5s, any competent truck tire shop should be willing to work with these wheels. As to the hoist all I can say is that the fluid is added with it in the down position, hope that helps.

The wheels are not the RH5° kind. They look like the three piece kind which I consider the safest type of wheel made for tube required tires. I use ISO 46, but for older equipment, I would recommend ISO 68. If it raises all the way, it has enough oil. Don't overfill it, or fill it while the hoist is extended. Is it a farm truck or a gravel bucket? Heil built gravel buckets, but I'm not sure about farm beds.

Thanks 3B and crenwelge! Its a relief that they are not RH5s. Now only if I had a couple more as spares so I could take them off, clean them up, and still be able to move the truck around. Do they have a specific name or model? I would like to try and find a couple more good ones.

As far as the hoist it only goes up about 60%, so based on the leaks and the fact that it has no doubt been many years since any was added I figured its probably a little low. I am assuming that it is a "gravel bucket" as it definitely wasn't a farm truck. But I have linked to a picture of the dump body below.


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Heil built a gravel bucket like that, but so did many other manufacturers. Wheels are not easy to find. You need 54 and older. Later have the same bolt pattern, but the hole is 1/2" bigger and they pilot on the hub. About all you can do is look at the wheels. If they have some sort of lock ring assembly, they are ok. The RH5° split in the middle. If the lock ring is visible on the steering axle, they are ok, if not they are the RH5°.

There is another thread about hydraulic oil in this forum. As mentioned there, be safe when attempting to fill it, and don't overfill.

Cool truck! There are times when it would be nice to have a gravel truck like that!

Actually, you do have a couple of spares- - - - -doesn't the rear axle have two wheels on each side? Just single them out on the rear, and repaint the wheels two at a time. You don't need both wheels in the back unless you're carrying a full gross weight load.
Jerry

Can't tell for sure from the picture, but I think he's already singled out on the drive axle. If so, I think finding wheels needs to be first priority and painting second.

Thanks guys. The truck means a lot to me, it makes me smile every time it fires up. Your right crenwelge I am down to singles in the back. Unfortunately the rear was replaced years ago with I am told a two speed unit from a 1973 c60. I believe the wheels I need for it that i am also looking for are Accuride 28160s. There are other pictures of the rear on my webshots listed under my signature.

If the rear is from a later truck, they will be the ones with the 5 1/4" hub. They are a lot easier to find than the 54 and older. Its kind of hard to tell, but the one with the snow looks like one of the RH5° wheels.

That would be truly ironic if the wheels I thought were RH5s aren't and the ones I thought were aren't. The back wheels have a 8.75" bolt circle and a 6.25" bore, even though they are "newer" they don't appear to be in as good of shape as the front ones. My current plan was to replace them with tubeless tires (maybe 10r22.5s?) on the Accuride 28160s wheels if I can manage to find 4 of them somewhere. I will try to take some better pics of the back wheels so the forum can diagnose them for me. Thanks!

What size tires are on the back wheels?
My first guess was they are already 22.5" tubeless but better pictures would be helpful.

Grigg

8.25x20s. I only wish they were already tubeless. My "To-Do" list on the old girl would be a lot shorter. I added some more pics to my webshots for you to take a look as well as linked to a couple below. Thanks.

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You're right, and should be looking for a set of 4 rear wheels.

Grigg

Hey Gramps...I've got an answer on your bed & hoist. It's a "A. Cresci & Sons, Inc." Body Craftsmen Since 1909....Vineland, NJ

I have a smaller version on my '54 3800. I bought this truck from original owners grandaughter in Bordentown, NJ.

Yours looks like it has the Roller Type hoist. Check out the pic of my 3800 and compare...didn't think I would ever see another one. If I remember right they went out if bis. in early '60's.

I have other hoist pics I'll update soon.

Thanks JD! It's nice to know that my dump truck has a lil brother. It is definitely a "roller type". What weight oil do you use in the dump? I had some advice to use iso 68 and some other to use I think iso 46? Have you had to change any seals on yours yet? Looks like the seal around the pinion on the pump is leaking the worst. Any idea where I might find documentation on it? Any thought on proper "fill procedure" for the hydraulic fluid? Thanks again!

Hey Gramps,

I did add some tractor hydraulic fluid "New Holland" spec. from NAPA, and I raised body up added half qt., left the filler plug out and slowly dropped body, had a little over flow...raised the body and install plug....Now I'm reading the maintenance insructions...and that is there spec.

Spec. fluid is "Mobiloil Arctic, a Socony-Vacuum product, is recommened as an all year medium." Good luck finding that!

I scaned a copy of Lubrication Diagram & Maintenance Instructions for you. Should I send by PM ?

My Grandfather had a '54 6400/6500 flatbed on the farm...like new condition and always garaged until harvest time. He used the 1940 as everyday truck in the fields. Thats why my love for these trucks...and John Deere B's. I spent my summers on the farm and hated to come back to CT to start school.

JD, Thanks for the info! I would love any documentation or info you can send me. Would an "all-year medium" be like a iso 46? My grandfather passed away in 85' and my truck was his. It is one of the last items that he had his hands on. At the time of his passing he was in the middle of upgrading/rebuilding several things on it. The biggest project was the replacement of the rear axle (1970s c60 two-speed), which he almost finished. Until very recently it was in another family member's hands (not good hands at that) and I just barely managed to save it from the scrap yard (by only a couple of hours). My love for ADs comes directly from the many many hours I spent as a young kid riding shotgun with him hauling equipment (loaders, graders, rollers) and gravel/stone. They were some of my most enjoyable childhood moments with him. Every time I start the old girl up I am right back there with him. I am always truly amazed how an old truck is so good at being a time machine. Thanks again....

The correct name for this type of hoist is a cam and roller design. When I first got into the equipment business we used to sell our hydraulic pumps and some cylinders to Cresci. All are gone and I am lucky to still be around.

Thanks Moneypit, congrats on still being here! Any thoughts on the best place to source parts for the pump and ram on my Cresci? In all honesty the ram appears so far to be doing pretty good, the pump on the other hand definitely leaks and at least is going to need some seals.

I see your in NJ so you can't be far from a highly populated area. My point being that in virtually every major city there is at least one or more industrial seal specialty houses. You finf seal that will fit anything. They don't even have to be the same kind that came out of the pump to work. Same on cylinders. I've use many, many floating seals and found them to be superior to OE seals especilly on the older products. So don't sweat it.

Thanks moneypit. LOL! That is always the impression, us people in new jersey are all in one big city. Fortunately, I grew up and live in the pine barrens of southern NJ, but the message is still a good one. Somewhere around here (its a small state after all) there must be a good seal specialty house. I can honestly say I have never looked for one prior to this moment. For purely intellectual purposes I will let you know if and when I find one. Thanks again...

Hi Gramps & Moneypit...I had problems trying to send PM...so I added the Cresci Info to my 3800 album. Click on to see both sides of the card...it's about 5x8 in card.

JD49,
That is sooo cool that you have that! Thanks a bunch! I am such an old truck geek!

Nice truck, I want one! :P