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Hey gang, My body guy is as my girls say, "THE BOMB", (that's a good thing). He has done in 2.5 weeks what the last guy did in 2 years. Now it's time for paint.
We have mixed the color red for 1942 (or at least what PPG say's is the match) but it has an orange overtone. The info I have seen on the colors available for 1942 on a truck show 2 reds. Nether color match the origional color found inside the door. What am I missing here?

I dunno for sure. I suspect that while the formula may be available for the correct color, the hue of the tints used may have changed slightly over the years which would result in what you are finding. It's also possible that the truck has been repainted since new to a slightly different color. The best bet would be to disregard the formula and custom match the existing paint on the door jamb.

I'd say yer missing the fact that there's a big difference between the lacquer that was used back then and whatever modern paint system yer tryin to match it with .... and the fact that lacquer reds were notorious for changing over time .... and color chips change over time as well

if PPG says it's the right red, it's closer than anything else you've seen, although matching lacquer with enamel or urethane never really works ... maybe you need a good paint person to fiddle the formula until it's something you like ... then remember it's gonna look different when it dries

glad to hear ya found a bodyman willing to fly at it!!

Bill

Ok, I guess the good doctor is just gonna have to pick a red he likes. Thanks guys, you have been a real help. I have looked in the gallery at the reds on 42's and it looks like some of them have that red/orange color. (some are red) I will bet it is as you have stated the codes don't exactly match anymore due to the content of the paint.

Color is color and it doesn't matter what kind of paint your mixing. As for the sample you found on your truck, red pigments are more likely to deteriorate over time. If you have a formula, mix to that formula or find a color you like and mix to that.

Trying to show colors accurately on a computer is impossible unless your monitor is calibrated and the photo has corrected colors.

Now this is red

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/553547677PuhxeT?vhost=good-times

I painted my truck red this summer.I had it painted, theylet me see it right away, it totally looked red/orange. that night and the next day I worried it was orangy. when I got it home it was red. And as it gassed out it is truly red red red. I love it Certain times of the day it changes color. It's cool. So stay away from the orange and get the red you want. My 2 cents.

Ken

No, actually it's only one shade of red. Trust me, after 35 years in the commercial art and photograhy I could show you 10 individual color swatches that you would call red but if I laid them out side-by-side you would see that they were all different.

If you are deciding on a color (any color) to paint your truck have the paint mixed to match a swatch from a color chart... and look at the colors in daylight. Fluorescent lights give off a green color light and incandescence give off a brownish color light.

Color is one of the most esoteric and misunderstood subjects you can imagine.

Ok Woody, I will change my blurb to; Now this is red enough for me! Hows that? lol

good thing Woody wasnt discussing White...

When you mix all the colors together dont you get black? If so Henry Ford is still selling black cars and my truck is a shade of black.

you've got that right...don't know if its true or not, but I was told years ago that Corvette white has a certain amount of black in it to give it a more "pure" white color. Any comments on that one?

No, actually black is the absence of all color.

I warned you guys that this is esoteric, but did you listen? Noooooo...

The absence of all color should be clear.

That's why colors have formulas and numbers. Even things as obvious as white has variations.

clear is transparent and doesn't reflect, emit or absorb any light, allowing what's beneath/behind to do so .... percieved color is a function of the light [spectrum] reflected or emitted, and subsequently detected by your eye, which has cones that detect only 3 colors

black neither reflects nor emits any light, it absorbs it .... black [or very close] can be 'made' by mixing the correct proportions of the 3 subtractive primary colors

it's all in the eye of the beholder .... or beerholder, as the case may be

Bill

OK Bill, If you are driving an empty bus and the bus stops and picks up 3 people, and then moves to the next stop where it pick up 2 people and lets off 1, then to the next stop picks up 4 people and drops of 3. What is the drivers name?

'hey you'

Bill

well do you know the answer?


BILL is the answer.

ooook you had the answer

Now I am depressed My red is no longer red, my black is witout color, my clear is transparent, my dog has fleas, my cat has worms, and computer has a virus, and my stock portfolio is non exhistant. Other than that ---Ain't life grand?

i used to work in a hardware store and one of my duties was mixing paint. most of the whites did get a shot or 2 of black plus other bases for tint. when i painted my truck blue. i ordered blue, the paint guy said true blue is almost purple. he was right but i do like it now.

Probably to late to help with the original post but keep in mind that fluorescent lights can make colors look strange. Always best to look at the color sample in the sunlight.

I had a '77 Chevy that was factory painted "Firethorne Red". It looked great out in natural lighting, it had a pink tone to it in the garage under fluorescent lights.